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So, Heavens_Wings here finally persuaded me to make the plunge and start playing Warmachine/Hordes and I've picked up a bunch of Cygnar to start playing with. I'm a long-time 40K/FB player and converting models is one of my favorite parts of the hobby. Consequently, I'm a little...thrown off...by PP's conversion policy (not to mention the vehemence I've seen about adherence to it that I've seen on PP's boards). That said, I've still got some conversions planned, but I'm really interested in seeing other people's conversions as well.

As much as I appreciate Dakka and it's many talented painters and modelers, it's generally taken as a given that B&C is more at the forefront of P&M boards than here when it comes to power-armored models. I've checked out the P&M board on PP's forums and have seen some very nice models, and there's some pretty excellent work going on here, too (odinsgrandson, Dysartes, etc.), but I'm wondering if there's something similar to B&C where people go to show off and check out their Warmachine/Hordes models.

Most common place I know of is the PP Forums P&M section.

There should be links through some people's banners on the PP boards to get to Brush Thralls also. Painting fanatic site.

I've not checked them out much myself, but they had a really good tutorial on painting Satyxis like the PP books do it.

Thanks, Skrulnik. I guess I've just gotten spoiled by GW's ubiquity - the volume of work on the PP forum's P&M section just isn't as high as I'm used to. Brush Thralls was cool, but pretty infrequently updated. I checked out Odinsgrandson's Garden Ninja site and he's got a bunch of nice stuff there, too. Unfortunately, I'm just not finding a forum that has the amount of P&M discussion I'm used to for GW models.

sadly this is just a side effect of GW being such an industry giant. Ive posted a couple of PP models on here and warseer but they get mostly ignored and lost in the ocean of space marines.

I don't think there is a good P&M site for WM/ Hordes now that brushthralls have gone to ground. There are some sites that have now and then a article, but there is no frequently updated or dedicated site.

For me I am not frequenting painting and modeling parts of this forum anymore. too much powerarmour and ther things I do not want to see.

Maybe we should start putting a link to the specific paintthreads here, so people get to there from here...

Here is link to my Skorne paint log in the P&M section.. I just updated it with my latest paint job: the Swordsman UA.

What's your dislike of the conversion policy?


As a TO, as long as I can look at a model and say: "Ah, that's so-and-so", then I'm fine with it.

Realize that a lot of PP's conversion rules comes from their "WYSIWYG" approach to designing their forces. You're supposed to look across the table and know what you're facing.

That being said, I have a Fenris conversion where I swapped out his mount for an ork warbike. So far, i've had no issues using it.

(also note that the conversion policy is for tournaments, not friendly play).

Thanks for the ideas, guys. Metsuri - I look forward to checking out your Skorne!

As far as my dislike of the conversion policy, I know it's for tournaments rather than friendly play, and right now, all I'm playing are friendly games, but I don't want to discount the possibility that in the future I may want to play in a tourney and use the models I've converted - thus, when I make my conversions, I do want to make sure that they follow PP's policy. As a CCG player, and understanding the time limit rules for PP tournaments, I understand the importance of a player being able to look across the table and know the rules of what your opponent is playing without them having to explain it over and over again. The concept of WYSIWYG under 40k and WHFB has a somewhat different take than WYSIWYG under PP.

A couple examples - the model that inspired me to start a WM list is Kraye. I love the feel of the model. Consequently, I want to convert my list up to have an Old West/Frontier quality to it. I can do this fairly easily for some units - for my B13, ATGMs, and Rangers, I'm planning on converting some to be wearing or having slung on their backs GS cowboy hats. This shouldn't effect the WYSIWYG nature of the model and I'm not worried about these.

Regardless of the tactical soundness of including Storm Lances in a Kraye list, I thought it would be cool to include some other horse cavalry in his list, but I really don't like the look of the Storm Lance models and they don't match the style of Kraye. So, I thought about how I would model them to match Kraye. There are a variety of things I'd need to do for the conversion but the most salient points are these:
- I'd need to use a different base model with less armor both on the rider as well as on the horse.
- Rather than having the lance be both the CC and ranged weapon, I'd want to give them a pistol and sabre to represent these facets of their weaponry.

It's my understanding of the PP conversion rules that I wouldn't necessarily be able to use these models in a tourney as they wouldn't necessarily be recognizable as Storm Lances. It would be the TO's call. I understand that, but I don't want to go into a tourney with uncertainty over whether or not I can play a portion of my list. And I'm okay with this - I understand why this doesn't meet the requirements of the rules and I don't have a problem with this, even though under GW conversion rules it wouldn't be an issue. Granted, this is a moot point as there's not really a reason for me to play Storm Lances in a Kraye list - kinda defeats the purpose. But I liked the idea for these conversions.

Here's my second example and I think would probably be more likely to be acceptable. Rather than using ATGMs or B13, I would convert Gun Mages from IKRPG models like Draegyn, Valeria Alvaro, or Gajan Vasco. This is where I don't know if the conversions would meet the requirements. While all of these models are carrying pistols, and one is specifically a pistoleer, I'm not sure how easily recognizable they would be as Gun Mages.





Like I said, I understand why the conversion policy is important for Warmachine and Hordes tournaments. It's just a big mental shift for me when I'm coming from a gaming culture where a player could build an entire army to use as one faction (say, Tyranids), but largely using the parts of a completely different faction (say, Necrons), and be allowed to play in tournaments with it. This would just be much more difficult to pull off in PP's gaming environment.

Instead of Storm lances, how about using Steelhead Cavalry? They come with a cavalry axe and pistol standard, and they can be used by Cygnar. You can convert them into cowboys easier than you could stormlances.

As for the Gun mages, that one is 'iffy'. I use those IK models for my B13, and have had a couple of close calls in using them because they're not the 'true' models.

If the only time you used those models were as your gun mages, and had no other gun mages in the army, you could probably make a case for it, but it'd still be up to the TO.


And you're right, you do have a lot more freedom of conversion when it comes to GW games. "counts as" is a big rule, and it's not one that PP really shares. You can stretch it (I've wanted to use wraithlords as Retribution heavy jacks), but there's a definite hard point on what's acceptable.

Okay, glad to hear I'm not the only one who wants to use some of the great looking IKRPG models in Warmachine/Hordes. I'll have to look into Steelhead Cavalry - thanks for the idea.

To me not only does that trio look better than the B13 it looks more like a black ops force. While they are a AGTM unit, they are by their fluff a dirty wet ops unit. Walking around in AGTM garb doesn't necessarily strike me as something they would do.

I'm thinking I may pick them up and use them as a counts as like the pug I have for Butcher's wardog. I have the originals in case anyone has a fit over it but those just flat look better. The drawn weapon that Valeria is holding is obviously a magelock.

Nods, I like the 'feel' that trio brings to the board as well...like you said, more a 'black ops' than "Hey, we're gun mages too!"