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In order to cast things like Doom, Fortune, Eldritch Storm, does the Farseer have to have clear line of sight to the targeted unit? Or can I just hide him in a wave serpent, casting spells from within the safety of the vehicle?

Eldritch Storm and Mind War are the only psychic Shooting attacks and thus, the only ones that need LoS the other ones dont need LoS.

Nulipuli2 wrote:Eldritch Storm and Mind War are the only psychic Shooting attacks and thus, the only ones that need LoS the other ones dont need LoS.

Careful this is not entirely true. A Farseer cannot doom a unit from inside his Wave Serpent and he can only fortune the vehicle itself and the unit inside unless he disembarks.

calypso2ts wrote:

Nulipuli2 wrote:Eldritch Storm and Mind War are the only psychic Shooting attacks and thus, the only ones that need LoS the other ones dont need LoS.

Careful this is not entirely true. A Farseer cannot doom a unit from inside his Wave Serpent and he can only fortune the vehicle itself and the unit inside unless he disembarks.

Ummm, gotta disagree with you on this one. Doom and Fortune do not require LOS and a Farseer in a transport can indeed cast powers out of it, unless that power is a shooting attack.

thought the only other req was That they cant cast into another vehicle?

I was under the impression that Fortune and Doom 'target' specific units and in order to target a unit you must have LoS. If someone can provide the wording for both/either power it would clarify it.

I checked the FAQ's, I could have sworn there was something in there on it but it only addresses the Eldritch Storm question.

This is my opinion- The Farseer is using his freakin' mind! If he knows where a target it, that should be enough.

Mordoskul wrote:This is my opinion- The Farseer is using his freakin' mind! If he knows where a target it, that should be enough.

And other than the rules (which it seems to ignore) how does that differ from other psychic powers?

The Farseer psychic powers follow the rules in the BRB nicely. Incidentally, the rules mention line of sight and targeting only for psychic shooting attacks, which happens to be any psychic power that causes a wound (which Doom does not, so follow the psychic power's own description, measuring distances from the transport vehicle's hull (if inside) as normal).

you measure from the vehicles hull if the farseer is inside a vehicle, cannot target a unit inside a different vehicle though

this is the same for fortune, guide, doom AND eldritch storm as these do not require los

Wow, lots of people not reading the codex in this thread.

The Eldar codex specifically and explicitly states that none of the Farseer powers require LOS unless the individual power specifies otherwise. The only one which does is Mindwar.

However, to cast a power which is a Psychic Shooting Attack from a vehicle, you need to have a fire point. And none of the Eldar vehicles have any; so neither Mind War nor Eldritch Storm can be cast from inside an Eldar vehicle.

Mannahnin wrote:Wow, lots of people not reading the codex in this thread.

The Eldar codex specifically and explicitly states that none of the Farseer powers require LOS unless the individual power specifies otherwise. The only one which does is Mindwar.

However, to cast a power which is a Psychic Shooting Attack from a vehicle, you need to have a fire point. And none of the Eldar vehicles have any; so neither Mind War nor Eldritch Storm can be cast from inside an Eldar vehicle.

is that in the rulebook....whoops, that was a spure of the moment of reading the codex and it not needing los, but yes eldritch storm needs a fp which eldar tanks dont have

It's explained in the FAQ though.

No PSAs from inside an Eldar vehicle.
No fire point = no PSA.

it clearly says in the eldar codex that Eldar Psychic powers DO NOT require line of sight.

To make it perfectly clear:

Doom - Does not require LOS; may be used from inside a vehicle
Eldritch Storm - Does not require LOS; may not be used from inside an Eldar vehicle as it is a psychic shooting attack and requires a fire point
Fortune - Does not require LOS; may be used from inside a vehicle
Guide - Does not require LOS; may be used from inside a vehicle
Mind War - Strictly requires LOS; may not be used from inside an Eldar vehicle as it is a psychic shooting attack and requires a fire point

Start-of-turn powers that can be used without LOS may target any normally targettable unit within range, meaning that units embarked within vehicles (friendly or otherwise) may not be targetted unless the power originates from inside the same vehicle.
The Farseer may Doom, Guide or Fortune himself (and hence his unit) inside the vehicle of origin but can never affect a unit embarked in another vehicle.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:
The Farseer may Doom, Guide or Fortune himself (and hence his unit) inside the vehicle of origin but can never affect a unit embarked in another vehicle.

The Farseer would have to be really mad to inflict Doom on himself or his own unit!

Homer

Arctik_Firangi wrote:To make it perfectly clear:

Doom - Does not require LOS; may be used from inside a vehicle
Eldritch Storm - Does not require LOS; may not be used from inside an Eldar vehicle as it is a psychic shooting attack and requires a fire point
Fortune - Does not require LOS; may be used from inside a vehicle
Guide - Does not require LOS; may be used from inside a vehicle
Mind War - Strictly requires LOS; may not be used from inside an Eldar vehicle as it is a psychic shooting attack and requires a fire point

Start-of-turn powers that can be used without LOS may target any normally targettable unit within range, meaning that units embarked within vehicles (friendly or otherwise) may not be targetted unless the power originates from inside the same vehicle.
The Farseer may Doom, Guide or Fortune himself (and hence his unit) inside the vehicle of origin but can never affect a unit embarked in another vehicle.

perfect

my mistake was forgetting about fire points