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Forge World's quality control... scatch that... Forge World don't have quality control. Forge World pumps out product at such a rate that breeds an environment where mistakes that would be considered miscast and thrown away/melted down at other companies are considered "good enough" and shipped out anyway. You can't fault them for their success, but they are victims of it, with fully 50% of their product coming out miscast (from slight warpage to completely unsalvageable pieces). What I've found is that the newer kits are less likely to have problems (my Macharius and Chaos Dreads were all fine - old Baneblades and Manticores... horrific). As a comparison point, all the Micro-Art Studios, Antenociti's Workshop and Scibor stuff I've ordered has come through without issue (aside from the usual flash and mould lines). Forge World are just bad at making models - great at designing them - but bad at making them.

In the end you just have to be careful, and either learn to live with the odd bit of warpage, or learn how to bend things back.

Listrel wrote:I'm toying with the idea of a FW night lords dreadnought in the new year simply because it doesn't work out that much more expensive then the ugly as hell GW chaos dread. Now i know people have problems with FW kits but is there any thing i should look out for with the dreadnought kits ?

I've got both Death Guard Dreads (the more recent of which has a lot of fiddly find detail bits) and a World Eater Dread. I had no problem with these kits, and I suspect that it is because they are newer and less complex than their old stuff.

Scott-S6 wrote:FWIW, I've had lots of Forge World bits and models. Never had anything that needed more than a bit of cleaning and warming/bending.

Then you're lucky, and I've got a Stormblade that thinks you're wrong.

It's also worth mention that most of the Rhino and Land Raider doors, as well as all the extra/spaced/etc. armour have been on the website for a long time - long as I can remember anyway - so that factors into my 'newer kits are less prone to problems' theory.

I've ordered exactly one set of those old doors (the Chimera back hatch with the Aquila on it), and, yep, it was bent.

Trickstick wrote:I would be interested to know if anyone had bought an alpha pattern russ, specifically the dkok vanquisher model. Any opinions on the quality would be appreciated. Really want to get one as the command tank of my company. I imagine there may be a bit of barrel warp with such a long barrel.

I haven't got the Vanquisher (my Vanquishers were just the turrets), but I do have one of these. The hull is quite simple, works well with the (old) Russ kit. Not sure how well it would gel with the new Russ kit, but either way there aren't many pieces to the Alpha hull, so it shouldn't be too hard to make it work.

Trickstick wrote:Other than that i fancy a few hydra flak tanks, anther model that i expect to have barrel warp. Why does it seem that all the forgeword i want has really long barrels?

Friend of mine ordered two Hydras. Be prepared for some crazy wacky bendy barrels. Also be warned that the Hydra kit has the same construction as the Manticore kit (same turret and hull place, just different weapons). This means that it will hardly fit across the old Chimera kit (I've got no idea bout the new one). They're not well designed, and, again, they're an ancient kit, so expect a lot of problems with them. My 3 Manticores were very difficult to get together, so the Hydras are likely to be the same (just with bendy barrels!).

dalsiandon wrote:I was thinking about the IF Rhino doors and some dreadnought weapon arms, I'm glad I waited and didn't just impulse buy them. I'll just buy the tank kit from GW and use those.

There's nothing wrong with Dread arms. The Autocannon arms might be a bit bent, but I've got most of their standard Dread arms and I've had no problems with them.

I got three of the Stygies VIII's and one Gryphonne IV kit (with him sitting on top). Each Stygies turret is the Command tank in a Squadron of Russes, with the Gryphonne being the Company Commander.

chromedog wrote:Pretty much sums up the all-resin abortion that was the FW Valkyrie (several years before the plastic kit was a sparkle in the eye of a dreaming GW marketing manager).

This is basically the reason why I don't own any resin:

1. Valks.
2. Vultures.
3. Trygons.
4. Warhounds.
5. Thunderhawks.
6. Thunderbolt.

Because as soon as there's a hint of a glimpse of a whisper of a rumour that one of those might be coming in plastic, I swear off buying it. I didn't for the Baneblade, figuring the rumoured plastic one was still years away, and bought my Maximilian Wiseman's Baneblade and a Stormblade, and I regret doing so. Not so much for the Baneblade, but that blasted bloody Stormblade. A year later the plastic Baneblade comes out and a few months later the plastic/resin hybrid Stormblade.

The mere mention of a possible plastic Valk stopped me from buying any. I won that one.
The idea of a plastic Trygon came by, so I avoided buying the resin version. I won that one too.
I knew that a plastic Valk would bring with it a plastic/resin hybrid Vulture. I was right there.
I decided against getting the resin/plastic hybrid Shadowsword. Right again.

Now we've got rumours of a 'flyer' expansion, so I'm not buying any Thunderbolts, and there's the long standing logical conclusions that there will eventually be a plastic Warhound and Thunderhawk, so I'm not getting either of those. I can be very patient, and learnt my lesson with my resin vehicles.

I recently got the Inquisitorial TL-Psycannon Turrets, but sadly they come with just the guns and the targeter. You still have to have a spare Razorback turret of your own to build them.

I was not happy.

DiscoVader wrote:Wow, really? That sucks. I always though that it included the turret mount with the Psycannons.

As did I. As I said, I was not pleased, especially as R-Back turrets aren't exactly cheap online. I managed to get 3, but still need a 4th one.

DiscoVader wrote:And a question, since I'm curious - most of the problems with FW that I've seen people complain about are warped panels on large vehicles and such, but aside from Rhich's complaints about the Cadian respirator heads, has anyone had any problems with standard sized infantry from FW? I've been tempted to get Hector Rex as a painting piece at some point in the future, money providing.

It depends on which of their infantry models you're ordering really.

I've got a stack of the Respirator heads and really they're fine. I've converted up a few metal Kasrkin doing headswaps with the Respirator heads (you're wondering “Why? Don't Kasrkin already have those heads?" to which the answer is yes they do, but the only Kasrkin you can actually convert into anything is the Sergeant, and he's not wearing a helmet, so I needed the swap), and they look fine overall, not too small. I have a few of the Cadian Veterans with the shotguns and they were disappointing because their waists are not the same size as the plastic legs they’re meant to go on. Forge World make great 28mm Guard models (their Death Korps models are to scale with Marines, unlike Cadians/Catachans that are too big), but unfortunately when they made the Cadian conversion kits they forgot that the models they’re meant to go with are 28mm heroic and therefore exaggerated. This means the Veteran Shotgunner bodies are too small (by a little bit). Very annoying. The full resin models, like the Cadian General, look pretty normal.

I’ve got a few Death Korp models (crew that came with my Macharius’) and they are good models. Friend of mine got a Death Korp HQ section (by accident... it just showed up in the box, he didn’t order it) and they are fantastic.

I’ve got Solomon Lok, Hector Rex, the Technical Servitor and the Tech-Priest and while I haven’t built them yet (the Tech-Priest will be a nightmare to build with all those spindly arms) from looking at the pieces they all look like good models that should work well. Rex’s henchmen are all one piece as well, and are as good as any of the 1-piece Henchmen/Servants that Scibor makes (minus the press-mould detail on big flat areas).

Platuan4th wrote:For most of these I'd agree, but the FW Trygon looks infinitely better(at least to me) than the plastic. The plastic's itty bitty top most scythes puts me off after I had the chance to compare it to my FW version(bought a little after originally released), so much so that I'll forever be willing to spend the extra to buy more FW versions instead of the plastic.

This is one of those effort vs reward things. Are there elements of the resin Trygon that are better? For sure. You mention the claws/talons, and yes, that’s one thing about the resin one that is superior. But then again I looked at the photos that FW used to have for the Trygon and part of that kit was a million billion little resin claws that run up its body (I might be exaggerating on the number a little bit). The plastic version has the same thing, but the difference is they’re plastic, and therefore a million billion times easier to put together.

I hate working with resin, and after my experiences with the Stormblade, the Manticores, Armageddon Basilisk and even the relatively easy Macharius, I consider plastic > resin when it comes to kits that are the same. If there’s a plastic version, I’ll take the plastic version, even if it is slightly inferior to the original*.


*The one exception to this is the GW ‘Blastscape’ that came out when Planetstrike was released. People should remember it. They were the horrifically bad vacu-formed pieces of horse gak that they advertised by showing off the painted resin masters. Given the option of resin vs the vacu-formed gak, I’d’ve taken the resin.

And that's why I prefer plastic.

It's the reason I haven't bought the Khornate Daemon Prince (+Herald) despite how much I love that model - all the spikes and even the teeth on his shoulder pads are separate pieces. Feth that.

Not only that, but it's four long thin pieces of resin that are meant to be completely straight. Is it any wonder that that kit, above most of the others, is going to have the most issues, especially with FW's track record?

With the state of your barrels, I'd consider getting replacements first. What happened to yours sounds 10 times worse than the Hydras my friend ordered. Get new ones.

Stormrider wrote:Or GW needs to make a plastic Basilisk/Griffon/Colossus/Hydra/Medus kit ASAP. Am I asking for too much? You bet.

That would be a pretty epic kit.

Sadly you just know GW would design it in a way that every single vehicle type would have one universal component, so swapping between them would be very hard, a bit like how the Deathstrike missile needs the smaller rockets from the Manticore.