Daemons squad size

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**teh unforgiven**

I'm currently working on my new chaos daemons army and i'm wondering 2 things:

First: How big should my lesser demon squads be? I use squads of 10 models, but should i include more

Second: What is best greater daemon? bloodthirster? Fateweaver?

**Niiai**

It all depends on the sice of the game and what you want to do, there is no best.

although smaal units of horrors and heralnds of tzeench on chariots for the bolts seems like good choises.

**teh unforgiven**

I usually play games around 1500 - 2000p
so something for that, oh and i happen to like slaanesh..
HAIL TO THE DARK PRINCE!

**Maenus_Rajhana**

For horrors, I usually use squads of 5 - more bolts that way, as well as the ability to better divide my fire.

For plaguebearers, 7 seems to be a popular number, mostly to make them that much harder to wipe out.

Daemonettes, I haven't ever fielded, but I'd imagine you'd want big squads to take advatange of all the attacks and counteract the squishiness.

Bloodletters, I like squads of 10-14 for. I used to do groups of 7, but after a few fights with my roomates Tyranid army, I bumped up the numbers and was very pleased with the results.

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Far as Greater Daemons go, the Bloodthirster's been my go-to for a while now, but I've been strongly considering a KoS as it seems more versatile without losing too much of the thrister's combat prowess.

**calypso2ts**

I run Daemonettes in squads of 12 (for sacred number) but 14 is also good. I usually get 9 of them into combat which against Marines is 36 Attacks, 18 hits, 3 Rends, 3 Wounds - 4 dead.

**chaos0xomega**

Slaanesh: 6
Nurgle: 7
Khorne: 8
Tzeentch:9

There are no other options.

**Khorne Flakes**

I go with squads of 10 depending on what unit im actually using so if i have horrors i get as many as i can ive had great results with a greater demon

**Mechnomancer**

I don't know about Demonettes. I haven't tried them yet.
Bloodletters 8-10
Plaguebearers 5-8
Horrors I used to run ten, then five. Now zero. The bolt is horribly unreliable and the other horrors' shots are wasted on a target for the bolt.

As for Greater Daemons, I used to run Fateweaver plus the Thirster. Now I use a Lord of Change with Fatey. The extra shooting helps more than the Thirster's assault threat. Great Unclean One was great until Jaws of the world wolf. Keeper of Secrets is just too fragile.

**teh unforgiven**

okay there should be fateweawer? And LOC but why do small squads of bloodletters and plaguebearers? I feel that plagues arent so tough 5+ invurenable save isnt that good and same for bloodletters they just die too easily

**Maenus_Rajhana**

When bloodletters get in CC, things die. They really are amazingly killtastic in sufficient quantities (hence my squads of 10-14).

The reason plaguebearers are tough is the combination of T5, 5++save, and FNP.

Lord of Change isn't worth it. Anything he can do, a DP can do better and cheaper. If you want shooty HQs, use Tzeentch heralds on chariots.

Fateweaver works best with Bloodcrushers. That particular combination is disgustingly hard to take down.

**Mannahnin**

I agree with most of the above.

Plagues and Horrors are most commonly seen in 5-man squads, though larger ones are not unhead of in high-point games. Bloodletters are extremely deadly but not very durable, so I see them more in the 8-16 range. Daemonettes, on the infrequent occasions I see people field them, are usually in larger groups of 10-15. Again, they're fragile.

**teh unforgiven**

i was thinking something like this horrors:5 plagues:7-10 bloodletters:10-15 daemonettes:15 so what do you think?

**Hulksmash**

For a GD I'd take the Bloodthirster as he counter-acts some things that are missing from your list since it's the only place you can get St8 MC attacks.

For lesser daemons:

Horrors: 5 w/bolt (don't always use bolt but it's nice to have)

Plague Bearers: 5-7

Bloodletters: 8-10

Daemonetttes: 9-12

Granted I have almost 0 experience w/daemonettes so they may need to be higher in numbers.

**notabot187**

I take all of my daemon squads in 5 strong units. I also take 6 units. When it really comes down to playing, all daemon units are pretty fragile, even plague bearers, so make the squads small and numerous. Their primary role is scoring, since in most missions you need to get objectives. Their killing power is secondary, there is other units in the army that are better at killing.

As for which troop I go for, it is plague to score with, letters to draw fire from marines, and daemonettes to assault into cover against Geqs (fleet, grenades) and transports (rending S3 can open transports a fair number of times with their volume)

I don't recommend fateweaver at all. It puts your army at the mercy of luck and your opponents ability to stay mobile. The fateweaver list functions mainly around staying close to its bubble. Deepstrike scatter and unlucky wave rolls can put the weaver in the wrong place. Since most fateweaver lists are fatecrusher, it is also a rather ponderous list, since the crushers move as infantry. Sure it is a rather hard unit formation to take down, but it is slow and lacks ranged ability. The enemy can stay away.

**Mechnomancer**

the unforgiven wrote:okay there should be fateweawer? And LOC but why do small squads of bloodletters and plaguebearers? I feel that plagues arent so tough 5+ invurenable save isnt that good and same for bloodletters they just die too easily

Use all the other elements of your army to kill stuff. The minimal bearers are there to claim objectives. Hopefully in cover. Going to ground near an objective makes them really tough to dislodge. 3+ cover 4+ FNP. So when you place objectives put some near cover.

Smaller units of letters are for survivability. A given enemy unit can only shoot at one of them allowing the second to remain whole. We typically have so few kill points that we can afford this.

I am a recent convert to the Lord of Change. I used to run a thirster. I found that it was only useful to popping Land Raiders. But, it wasn't them that were hurting me. I needed more ways to pop transports, like rhinos, razorbacks, vendettas, chimeras, etc. The bolt is more valuable. Fatey and the flying jerks is the way to go for me. Fateweaver, Lord of Change and 3 tzeentch princes w/ flight maximises this to an extent that the Bloodcrushers rarely want for troops to rush. And they are mobile enough to deal with fast moving armies.

**SweetLou**

i run units fo 15 daemonettes and they are epic

**teh unforgiven**

i see there is REALLY many ways to play daemons but this have been helpful