Which is the best unit to include a HQ choice?

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**andyroo9000**

Give me some advise because every time i play my mate (strike), he usaully kills my HQ and its unit in the first turn

oh and this is for my space marine army.

**Devastator**

could you provide any less info?

**andyroo9000**

any unit for instants , some elite or fast attack unit , oh and my HQ choice is a captain with terminator armour holding a thunder hammer/storm shield

**Devastator**

there are lot of units in 40k
what army your mate uses?

**andyroo9000**

Raven guard so he uses alot of fast attack units

**Devastator**

i presume its c:sm so that leaves assaut marines/vanguard
how he usually kill your HQ?

**andyroo9000**

he usaully charges them with his ten vanguard veterns

and rips them apart

**Devastator**

how is he charging with vanguard on first turn?
them? hmm so what unit does your captain stick with?

**Lazypete**

Ok first Im not a SM player.. sooo I'll just give very general advice which might not be suited with SM

The best way to protect a HQ is to make him a part of a large unit.. so he can't be singled out. Well almost can't be singled out.

Try getting a HQ that has more Init that his unit.
At least he'll strike before getting downed

Take a Chapter master and suround him with a 3man hounour guard. Or add a command squad around your captain. That gives you 6 men that 3 attack at I5 and 10 at I4

Quickly thats what Im thinking

**Devastator**

place him on unit of 5 th/ss termies that is riding LR redeemer and watch as vanguard burn

**andyroo9000**

He is usaully with a 10 man tactical sqaud but they get taken out so fast

so i am thinking of putting him in a 10 man terminator squad

**Devastator**

Devastator wrote:how is he charging with vanguard on first turn?

and what point level you play?

**andyroo9000**

From 2000-3000 it depends on what we plan because if we do apoc he uses most of his super heavies and i havent got many so i hav to make it up wth HQ and elite choices

**Eldrad**

i would say that the all time best hq would have to be Abaddon The Despoiler and the runner up would be Ghazdhkull Thraka

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

Eldrad wrote:i would say that the all time best hq would have to be Abaddon The Despoiler and the runner up would be Ghazdhkull Thraka

Alright, well he plays Codex; SM as well as his friend... so ...
A couple good choices for HQ's Lysander is a solid CC or you could just take shrike and pull the same thing he is

**MechaEmperor7000**

If you're dead set on running the TH/SS combo go with Lysander like jdj said. For a Space Marine captain you're paying for the I5, so giving him a PF or a TH would be wasting that. Lysander at least compensates with a few extra rules to make him more badass. If you have massive amounts of TH, then maybe consider Vulkan as he can make them Master Crafted, and he doesnt sacrifice any survivability either compared to Lysander.

**Ixias**

Eldrad wrote:i would say that the all time best hq would have to be Abaddon The Despoiler and the runner up would be Ghazdhkull Thraka

Looks like someone only read the title of the thread

**shrike**

Devastator wrote:how is he charging with vanguard on first turn?
them? hmm so what unit does your captain stick with?

the vanguards are with shrike- infiltrate 18" away, jump 12", fleet a few inches, assault 6".

Lazypete wrote:Ok first Im not a SM player.. sooo I'll just give very general advice which might not be suited with SM

The best way to protect a HQ is to make him a part of a large unit.. so he can't be singled out. Well almost can't be singled out.

well- he has him in a squad of 10 marines which die instantly. In SM you can't get any bigger.

Devastator wrote:place him on unit of 5 th/ss termies that is riding LR redeemer and watch as vanguard burn

he has'nt got termies or a redeemer. the redeemer would get killed by my 10 meltabombs and 6 TH anyway. and if he did survive, it would still be shaken, so no shooting. If he disembarks and assaults, then he dies in CC. If he stays in, he is forced to get out when the LR bites the dust.

andyroo9000 wrote:He is usaully with a 10 man tactical sqaud but they get taken out so fast so i am thinking of putting him in a 10 man terminator squad

Devastator wrote:
Devastator wrote:how is he charging with vanguard on first turn?

and what point level you play?

andyroo9000 wrote:From 2000-3000 it depends on what we plan because if we do apoc he uses most of his super heavies and i havent got many so i hav to make it up wth HQ and elite choices

I don't use my supers that much- in apoc I field 2 captains, chapter master, 10 vanguard, shrike, korvydae. soon it will be 8 captains, not 2

Alright, well he plays Codex; SM as well as his friend... so ...
A couple good choices for HQ's Lysander is a solid CC or you could just take shrike and pull the same thing he is