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Nice and quick, can daemons assault the turn they arrive if they are the attacker in Planetstrike?

My friend says no as DS is not in any unit entries in the Daemon codex, but I wasn't so sure since.... well everything enters via deepstrike!!

Any thoughts?

Always seen it played as yes since they all use the DeepStrike rules.

I can see why there is issue, but. . .yea.

I know it sounds like an insane question, but like I said, technically no entries in the codex have the deep striike rule...

Very few units actually have "deepstrike" as a special rule. It makes the rule almost useless in planetstrike as so few units can actualy perform it...

Not like GW to drop the ball on that is it?

It was also discussed as soon as the expansion came out. The list was tiny.....

Also, yes. Or no.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1490296a_FAQ_Planetstrike_Oct2009.pdf

It works "as normal".

Editing to add:
That came out wierd.

nosferatu1001 wrote:It was also discussed as soon as the expansion came out. The list was tiny.....

Off the top of my head the only things I can think of are:

Terminators
Assault Squads
Flayed Ones
Swooping Hawks?

Not sure after that TBH!

Not even vanilla terminators - they do NOt have the USR in their special rules, instead their Armour states they may deepstrike - but that is not in their unit entry.

Seriously? Its the the BT codex.

The trend with terminators now is to have their armour provide the special rules (or not - see Wolf Guard terminator armour) rather than have it as a normal special rule for the unit. Same for jump packs providing deepstrike....

the Marines themselves don't have Deep Strike and neither do the deamons.

however, both recieve the rule from a different source then their statline.


Deamons recieve the rule because it is a codex wide rule that effects everything.

Terminators recieve it because they have Terminator Armor(which gives them the DS rule)

I'm not going to argue about the RAW, because frankly I don't think it matters much for Planetstrike. Planetstrike, arguably even more than Apocalypse has to be played in a cooperative spirit because especially when it comes to how the Defender is allowed to set-up his defenses there really are *no* rules except that both players should be prepared to play on the same terrain as both attacker and defender to keep things fun and fair...because technically you can put any number of weapons on a Bastion, and a few Bastions each with a hundred weapons on it will make short work of any attacking force.

So under that overall premise you need to take a look at all of GW's advice on Planetstrike, going back to their introduction articles in WD and continuing online. In all of those sources, they give advice as though any unit which can normally deep strike gets to immediately assault in games of Planetstrike. Just one example, you can read their advice on Chaos Daemons here.

Now I am well aware that GW staffers sometimes (if not often) screw up their own rules when writing tactica articles, but while its one thing for one guy to do it in one article, its another for that advice to get given multiple times and by different authors.

In addition, just stepping back and thinking about the rules makes it pretty clear...since in Planetstrike most units can now Deep Strike, obviously there needs to be a benefit given to existing units that can already Deep Strike or else those units are effectively paying extra points for an ability that everyone else (now) gets for free.


So in short, regardless of the verbage used in the Planetstrike rulebook, it should be pretty apparent that any unit that is normally allowed to Deep Strike in a standard game of 40K gets the ability to assault on the turn it arrives in Planetstrike games.

Look in the daemon codex under Daemonic Assault. It clearly states that they arrive using the deep strike rules.

italiaplaya wrote:Look in the daemon codex under Daemonic Assault. It clearly states that they arrive using the deep strike rules.

Everybody knows that. The problem is the Planetstrike rules specify that in order to use the ability to assault on the first turn the unit needs to have the 'Deep Strike special rule in their unit entry', which Daemons do not (it is an army-wide special rule).


But like I said, if you don't want to get super hung up on the RAW here, all the info given by GW on planetstrike supports the idea that ALL units that can normally Deep Strike get to benefit from that rule in planetstrike.

italiaplaya wrote:Look in the daemon codex under Daemonic Assault. It clearly states that they arrive using the deep strike rules.

Which /= "in the unit entry", which is what planetstrike specifies.

If you read through the thread this should have been apparent.....

liam0404 wrote:Terminators
Assault Squads
Swooping Hawks

Termies get deep strike via their armour, assault squads get it from being jump infantry. (in C:SM at least) Swooping Hawks get DS from their wings.

If you're going to go with the hard-RAW reading (needs Deep Strike in the unit's special rule list) then very few things can use it. If you take the looser interpretation then lots of things can.

Both ways work just as long as you're consistent.

Read the linked F.A.Q. again, under Errata in particular. It removes the parts that say "in its/their unit entry" for the deep strike special rules

PsiOmega wrote:Read the linked F.A.Q. again, under Errata in particular. It removes the parts that say "in its/their unit entry" for the deep strike special rules

There you go! How did I miss that?


Excellent, problem solved!

Oh dear.... thats a massive websurfing fail by me......

Doing a quick add-on to the list, Scarab Swarms can also deepstrike as can Monoliths. Beware the Necron players lest they tie up your vehicles on the first turn!!!