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UPDATED AGAIN:
HQ: 165
CCS 165
Straken
Flamer
Flamer
Flamer
Grenade launcher

ELITE 200
Storm troop squad 200
5 extra men, plasma pistol sarge, plasma gun, meltagun

TROOP 735
Vet squad 215 BROWN
Lascannon, 3 meltas, laspistol sarge, 3 shotguns demolitions chimera w/
heavy stub
Vet squad 210 PINK-BROWN
Autocannon, 3 plasmaguns, plasma pistol, power sword, chimera w/ hvy
stub
Vet squad 205 TAN
Lascannon, 3 meltas, Harker, demolitions
Vet squad 105 FLESH
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, laspistol sarge

FAST 45
Scout sentinel w/ auto, smokes 45

HEAVY 355
Leman russ w/ lascannon, 165

Manticore, camo net 190

UPDATED LIST (after i found bits, and money on my paypal account) the use of colors is because i color coordinate my squads, using earthy tones, helps identify different squads in cc/if they get too close to eachother
List total: 1497

HQ:
CCS 112
Bolter
Sniper
Hvy flamer
Medipak
Grenade launcher

ELITE
Storm troop squad 200
5 extra men, power sword, plasma gun, meltagun
TROOP
Vet squad 230 BROWN
Lascannon, 3 meltas, powerfist, demolitions chimera w/ heavy stub
Vet squad 210 PINK-BROWN
Autocannon, 3 plasmaguns, plasma pistol, power sword, chimera w/ hvy
stub
Vet squad 145 TAN
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, plasma pistol, camo cloaks
Vet squad 160 FLESH
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, harker

FAST
Scout sentinel w/ auto, 40
Scout sentinel w/ multilaser 35

HEAVY
Leman russ w/ lascannon, plasma sponsons 205

Manticore, stock 160

how is it now? the sentinels would be outflanking
old list:

this is just with models i own
HQ:
CCS w/ vox, gl, sniper, medipak, bolter, MOO, bodyguard camo cloaks
Elite:
storm trooper squad with 3 extra troopers (8 man squad) no special weapons
Troops:
4 vet squads: all but harkers have camo cloaks
one with harker, 3 plasmas and autocannon, vox
two with sarge with pp, 3 GLs, vox and lascannon, one has chimera with hb, multilaser, hvy stbr one with sarge with pp, 3 meltas, vox, lascannon, chimera with hb, ml, hvy stbr
Fast:
one scout sentinel with autocannon
HEAVY:
1 reg leman russ with lascannon, plasma sponsons
1 manticore, stock.

how could i improve this list to make it more "killy" without spending any more money? (as im broke)
EDIT: fixed mising camo cloaks

CCS load out is a bit suspect. If you don't have the option of buying more, do you still have the sprues so you could maybe look at 3*flamer for the CCS? Not perfect, but at least it's a threat at template range. Bodyguards are overpriced and MOO rarely works. Maybe see if you still have the standard left over, stick this on the bodyguard and use MOO and guard as Creed and Kell for order spamming ...

2 vet squads to go in chimeras. Don't bother with voxes on these ones as they will rarely be out of the chimera or in range of the CCS. 3 meltas and 3 plasmas on these squads for drive by killing.

Not sure stormtroopers work in this list, so make them another vet squad. You then have 3 with vox, GL, heavy weapon. Sit these with the CCS for orders.

Key is to ensure troops have consistent load outs for their role and you use the CCS properly. Unused sprues and special weapons arms will be cheap way to adapt the army ...

ill see what i have later, i am pretty sure i have some special weapons somewhere, but i decided to chop most of my flamers up trying to mimick someones homebrewed shotguns...my skills with a file and hobbyknife are...crap...what if i dropped the ccs for a lord commissar or something, go for a tanith-ey theme? and spend the points on giving the storm troopers meltas? (their role would then be tanks hunters) and other things...


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UPDATED LIST (after i found bits, and money on my paypal account) the use of colors is because i color coordinate my squads, using earthy tones, helps identify different squads in cc/if they get too close to eachother
List total: 1497

HQ:
CCS 112
Bolter
Sniper
Hvy flamer
Medipak
Grenade launcher

ELITE
Storm troop squad 200
5 extra men, power sword, plasma gun, meltagun
TROOP
Vet squad 230 BROWN
Lascannon, 3 meltas, powerfist, demolitions chimera w/ heavy stub
Vet squad 210 PINK-BROWN
Autocannon, 3 plasmaguns, plasma pistol, power sword, chimera w/ hvy
stub
Vet squad 145 TAN
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, plasma pistol, camo cloaks
Vet squad 160 FLESH
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, harker

FAST
Scout sentinel w/ auto, 40
Scout sentinel w/ multilaser 35

HEAVY
Leman russ w/ lascannon, plasma sponsons 205

Manticore, stock 160

how is it now? the sentinels would be outflanking

could use some more input...anyone?

jordanis wrote:
CCS 112
Bolter
Sniper
Hvy flamer
Medipak
Grenade launcher

This squad is completely confused. Pick a role for them to fill and gear them to do it well. Right now the only thing this squad will do is die. Medipack is generally too expensive to merit taking at all unless you want some protection for a plasma-bomb unit (I'd just take the extra gun over the protection).

Never take heavy flamers on foot troops, leave them on vehicles. A heavy flamer costs the same as 4 normal flamers that would do a ton more damage in the long run. Heavy Flamers should stay on Chimeras, Russes, and Ordinance.

ELITE
Storm troop squad 200
5 extra men, power sword, plasma gun, meltagun

Don't mix and match weapon roles. Stormtroopers are too pricey for max squads. Keep them small and specialized (2 melta or 2 plasma). Give them a chimera for some versatility. Remember that a squad with the scout rule confers it to the transport as well. This means you can scout or outflank in the chimera, deploy or reserve them separately, etc. Lots of options there.

I generally would want to take stormies until 1750, though.

TROOP
Vet squad 230 BROWN
Lascannon, 3 meltas, powerfist, demolitions chimera w/ heavy stub
Vet squad 210 PINK-BROWN
Autocannon, 3 plasmaguns, plasma pistol, power sword, chimera w/ hvy
stub

These squads are very mobile so the heavy weapons make very little sense. Drop all the power weapons and pistols, they're just end up being a waste as they suck in CC anyway. Get rid of the heavy stubbers, the points are better spent elsewhere.

Vet squad 145 TAN
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, plasma pistol, camo cloaks
Vet squad 160 FLESH
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, harker

Interesting. Drop the plasma pistol on the first. I guess it might work, but I'd rather see it mounted up and mobile.

Second squad should lose the lascannon. I'm not a fan of a Harker squad, but if it works for you, why not.

FAST
Scout sentinel w/ auto, 40
Scout sentinel w/ multilaser 35

Good. Bump the multilaser up to an autocannon.

HEAVY
Leman russ w/ lascannon, plasma sponsons 205

Lose the sponsons.

Manticore, stock 160

While Manticores are a very good unit, the rest of your army is decently mobile. I'd swap it for another Leman Russ.


Overall you do lack a bit of firepower, especially in the anti-tank domain. Another meltavet or meltastormie squad would help, heck even a devil dog would do. Lose all of the power weapons and extra bits on vehicles and you'll have some decent points to play with.

I'd consider getting rid of the stormtroopers altogether until you hit about 1750.

Hope that helps

well that will just cost me an arseload...and if you read my original post, im short on cash, i put the heavy flamer in there because someone told me to, ill just chop it off in the morning and put a reg flamer in there, drop the medi for another flamer, and regarding the russ: i used copious amounts of superglue to mount the sponsons (cuz i wasnt thinking at the time) and wont be able to remove them, and my flgs has a beef with proxying...idk y, gets annoying at times. i can swap a few models arms and various bits, but revamping the entire army isnt financially impossible, i am poor as dirt. i gave the transports the stubbers because i need as much firepower as possible, would it be smart to swap the HBs on the chimeras for hvy flamers? also: i will see if i can pick up some 5packs of guardsmen to drop the hvy weapons teams, i do realize that they serve no tactical purpose at this time, if i can pick up another russ be xmas, i will drop many of the upgrades...regarding the powerfist: its in there to help kill tanks in CC, not kill other infantry...thats why they got meltabombs...
EDIT: spelling mistakes


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but thanks for the advice

Agree that you need to drop heavy weapons on the vet squads in chimeras. They will never get to fire as the transport will always be moving.

CCS squad - I would see if you could go 3*flamer from any sprues you have. Maybe add Straken as a special character as you can proably get way with using the commander you already have.

Drop a few stormies to pay for Straken and may take Marbo as well - a quick touch up on an existing catachan will probably do for this.

On sentinel I would see if you have the sprue left to go 2*autocannon - makes the unit better at killing transports/rear armour.

Hopefully that can be achieved for little/no expense. Shame we can't really find a role for all those heavy weapons - you need to go PCS/2 infantry before you can take a HWS and this might chop your list up too much (Vets for infantry is fine, but you need to find the models to make the CCS. While you may lose the BS4 form this route on the footsloggers, you can blob them into a 20 man unit, give them a GL and autocannon each and then twin link those lascannons from orders).

A blob squad with heavy wons is a terrible idea. They wont be able to move and theyl be free meat. youd be better seperating them into two 10 man squads and putting them in chimeras with heavy weapons. Put flamers on the chimera, an autocannon hvy weapon and mayby a melta.

then i might as well keep them vets...better at shooting, and moar meltas!!!!!111 and you meant the hull mounted flamers right? not where the ML is...and your idea seems almost as bad as my current list

Mines prolly worse. But if you think about it, a blob squad that cant move is suicide. DONT DO IT. I alwayse puhvy wpns carrying squads in a chimera so i can still move and shoot.

but they cant...mounting a hvy wep doesnt make it relentless...if you move, you cant shoot heavies... thats why everyone is saying not to even take em...but i did make a straken model and dropped the hvy flamer and medic, and now have 3 flamers in the ccs, a gl, and straken, dropped ML sentinel and the PP in the one squad...

List total: 1505
think i will drop the GL in tbhe ccs to make it 1500 even...
HQ:
CCS 165
Straken
Flamer
Flamer
Flamer
Grenade launcher

ELITE
Storm troop squad 200
5 extra men, power sword, plasma gun, meltagun
TROOP
Vet squad 230 BROWN
Lascannon, 3 meltas, powerfist, demolitions chimera w/ heavy stub
Vet squad 210 PINK-BROWN
Autocannon, 3 plasmaguns, plasma pistol, power sword, chimera w/ hvy
stub
Vet squad 135 TAN
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, las pistol, camo cloaks
Vet squad 160 FLESH
Lascannon, 3 grenade launchers, harker

FAST
Scout sentinel w/ auto, 40

HEAVY
Leman russ w/ lascannon, plasma sponsons 205

Manticore, stock 160

If you put a heavy inside a tank and move the tank..cant the heavy still shot? the tank moved and it happend to be inside the tank

P66 fire points section: models firing from a vehicle count as moving is the vehicle moves, and even if they disembark, (page 67) "the disembarked models may shoot (counting as moving) and may assault as normal" BAM rulehammer

Well ive played that wrong in a few games......... oops.

Okay, just looking at your recent list, there are a couple of problems.

Firstly, ditch all the special weapons in Straken's squad. Flamers will just kill you out of assault range. If you're going to take any special weapons at all, take meltaguns so that you can blow up transports and then assault the squad inside.

Secondly, your stormies are mixed up. Drop the sword and make it 2x melta or 2x plasma.

Thirdly, you're spending WAY too many points on upgrades for your troops. Mechvets should never cost more than 170 apiece. Drop upgrades in order to take more mechvets (or drop the upgrades and play lower points games).

Finally, your second two troops choices are crap. You're spending a lot of points on units that are still just as squishy in close combat, and can be targeted by long-range anti-infantry right away (unlike your dudes in chimeras), and have VERY little killing power. If you just want dudes on the field to take objectives, take an infantry platoon instead.

Have you guys tried

hq:
creed, plasma or melta, standard

Troop:
pcs: standard plasma

2x ten man squads- flamers, 2x chimeras

1 20 man blob squad, 2 commisars

2x spec wpns, 3x plasma or melta in chimeras w hvy stubers and hvy flamers

Fast attack:
2x vendetta SQUADS (1 vendeta e.a)

????would that even be good?

the price for the mechvets includes the chimera... and IGP: that list would fail miserably...even i know that

i actually tweaked the list even further, dropped the sponsons on the lrbt, yall keep forgetting that i have to work with models i have, i only have 2 stormies with special weaps (1 melta 1 plasma)...and i never run proxies...

jordanis wrote:well that will just cost me an arseload...and if you read my original post, im short on cash, i put the heavy flamer in there because someone told me to, ill just chop it off in the morning and put a reg flamer in there, drop the medi for another flamer, and regarding the russ: i used copious amounts of superglue to mount the sponsons (cuz i wasnt thinking at the time) and wont be able to remove them, and my flgs has a beef with proxying...idk y, gets annoying at times. i can swap a few models arms and various bits, but revamping the entire army isnt financially impossible, i am poor as dirt. i gave the transports the stubbers because i need as much firepower as possible, would it be smart to swap the HBs on the chimeras for hvy flamers? also: i will see if i can pick up some 5packs of guardsmen to drop the hvy weapons teams, i do realize that they serve no tactical purpose at this time, if i can pick up another russ be xmas, i will drop many of the upgrades...regarding the powerfist: its in there to help kill tanks in CC, not kill other infantry...thats why they got meltabombs...
EDIT: spelling mistakes


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but thanks for the advice

Ive made alot of mistakes while making my vehicles by mounting inferior weapons, or just plain wasteful ones. All my more recent rehicles use magnets so i can use sponsons with any option, mount any cannon i wish, detach my blades etc. The magnets are cheap and give you many options while on a budjet, Its roughly 7$ for 30 rare earth magnets.

where do you buy?


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Where do you buy?

so after breaking a few hobby knives, and a half hour of torture, i managed to get the storm troop sarge holding a chainsword and PP...

updated again...how is it now?

Is the models for your army Catachan or Cadian? Sounds Catachan to me but you have Cadian models. Or are you just using equivalents of Straken and Harker?

all equivalents, the models have all the correct wargear, even my straken has bionic limbs its all my models use cadian armor, just because i dont like rambo so i decided to make my own converts

NICE!

If you don't have more options for guys right now, is there any reason this list needs to be 1500 points? If you dropped down to 1000 points you might actually start to have the pieces to make a competitive list. Right now it just feels like you're strechihng to fill...

at 1000 points you could
1. You could drop your stormies down to a 5 man squad.
2. Take your second two vet squads, scrounge up a few more guys, and make a platoon.
3. Find or make a commisar, and blob em up.
4. Take the HW's out of your 1st vet squads, and make some HW squads for the platoon.
5. Take the flamers from the CCS and put them in a PCS.
6. Take your extra GL's from the last 2 vet squads and put them in the CCS where the bs4 might do some good.
7. put PW's on the platoon sarges, and commisar.

Run LRBT sans sponsons, and throw in your manticore.

All these changes require are finding a few more grunts to fill in the holes, (you can buy those cheap boxes of 5 cadians...) and might give you a decent 1000 point list.

hows about this for a 1k list?
Total: 1000


HQ:
CCS 75
laspistol
Lasgun
GL
Lascannon team

Elite:
Storm troop squad 120
Melta gun
Plasma gun
Plasma pistol

Troop:
Vet squad 180
Plasma Pistol
3 plasma gun
Chimera transport
Hvy stub

Vet squad 155
Laspistol
2 melta guns
Chimera transport
Hvy stub

Vet Squad 145
Harker
2 meltaguns

Leman Russ w/ LC 165

Manticore 160

CCS is ok just needs a standard. Also how they getting into the fight? Without a ride it will be a long way into combat.

Storm Troopers aren't good, too expensive and you've got no transport and mixed weaponry.

All Veteran squads are just wrong. You should ditch the heavy weapon as meltas won't get into range same as plasma - heavy weaps are only good for static, so maybe plasma but no need for power weapon.

Single Sentinel will die - add another.

Russes come in pairs and without the lascannon as it's 50.50 hit.