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 Jihadin wrote:
Wait? I thought he died later on from injuries that remains unexplained. Who killed him?

No one knows 'when' injuries caused his death happened or what caused them. He was beaten pretty severely before loaded into the van. But inside the van, if you take a crippled, injured person and drive in such a way where he is not secured, he may have been critically injured in the van. And then the delay of medical response and neglect at the precinct might have turned his injuries into worse than they were.

That is why no one knows, because the police who arrested and beat him won't talk, the police who drove him in the van won't talk, the police who took custody of him at the precinct won't talk. And if no one can prove where the injuries which killed him occurred, and each officer can blame the others, they all get reasonable doubt by being silent.

I am not sure I expect a transparent investigation out of Baltimore... but we will see.

Is there a video of the beating?

There is no video of the initial tackle....yet. Its alleged he was injured from the tackle then given a "rough ride".

"Rough Rides" are not unusual in Baltimore.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html#page=1

I live in Baltimore County, and I personally know people who have had relatives die in unusual circumstances by Baltimore PD.

BPD is notoriously brutal.

GG

 Jihadin wrote:
Is there a video of the beating?

Just the 'after' part. Which is part of the problem. He had lots of injuries but everyone involved has no idea how they happened.

"I know that when Mr. Gray was placed inside that van, he was able to talk and he was upset," Baltimore Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez said during news conference Monday. "And when Mr. Gray was taken out of that van, he could not talk and he could not breathe."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/baltimore-officers-involved-freddie-gray-arrest-interviewed/story?id=30512926

The one officer refusing to give a statement was 'not' the arresting officer which points to one of the Van officers. Apparently the Van made '3 stops' and didn't go directly to the precinct. All evidence seems to point to the spine injury happening in the van. Supposedly they pulled over because Gray was 'Irate' where upon he was subdued by putting leg irons on... (or beating him to death)

Funny thing is, the official police report says Gray was taken into custody "without force or incident" so even the officers claim he wasn't resisting arrest.

So all the people who are saying 'Don't resist, Don't commit crimes', Gray didn't do either... He was simply in a high crime neighborhood.

 Jihadin wrote:
Wait? I thought he died later on from injuries that remains unexplained. Who killed him?

General killed, something killed him, else he wouldn't have died. We just don't know the specifics yet.

Anyone paying attention to Baltimore?

It has the makings to be 10x worse than Ferguson... o.O

Seems a lot worse in what actually happened as well.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
At the very least, turning and running from a policeman would be probable cause.

Running from the police absent anything else is not probable cause.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
At the very least, turning and running from a policeman would be probable cause.

Its not probable cause, but it does initiate "reasonable suspicion", when other factors are considered, and allows the officers to initiate a "Terry Stop".

 whembly wrote:
Anyone paying attention to Baltimore?

It has the makings to be 10x worse than Ferguson... o.O

Just came to post something similar. Seems crazy and I'm getting a lot of Twitter and news alerts about the protests. Just watched a video of some news reporter getting robbed on camera. Pretty surreal.

Chancetragedy wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Anyone paying attention to Baltimore?

It has the makings to be 10x worse than Ferguson... o.O

Just came to post something similar. Seems crazy and I'm getting a lot of Twitter and news alerts about the protests. Just watched a video of some news reporter getting robbed on camera. Pretty surreal.

It was a RT reporter robbed...

It is not acceptable for a suspect to incur injuries while inside a police vehicle, which is where I'm sure this man was hurt. In this case I am sure some investigation will uncover police misconduct. Spines don't just break on their own.

You obviously haven't met my father.

Does it help that, every time I take the daughter on a driving lesson, I have a 50% chance of pulling my back.

 Frazzled wrote:
Does it help that, every time I take the daughter on a driving lesson, I have a 50% chance of pulling my back.

Is it because you have a death grip on the "Oh Gak" handle and you are screaming "GET ME OFF THIS CRAZY RIDE"?

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Does it help that, every time I take the daughter on a driving lesson, I have a 50% chance of pulling my back.

Is it because you have a death grip on the "Oh Gak" handle and you are screaming "GET ME OFF THIS CRAZY RIDE"?

I can see Frazz screaming for help at the Garman

yes actually. That and she's channeling the spirit of Frazzled Sr. who never met a turn he couldn't accelerate out of.

Here's to you Dad. Hope you're burning those hairpins low, tuckin in and letting er go to the redline.

Baltimore erupted. Teenagers vs LEO's.

Sounds like a fun party.

That'll end well. So glad I moved out there.

 streamdragon wrote:
That'll end well. So glad I moved out there.

Amen

also

I cannot believe the Mayor of Baltimore said to give them space so they can destroy

 Jihadin wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
That'll end well. So glad I moved out there.

Amen

also

I cannot believe the Mayor of Baltimore said to give them space so they can destroy

The Blood, Crips and Nation of Islam is on the scene!


Plus, protesters are chucking bricks to the po-po...

 Jihadin wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
That'll end well. So glad I moved out there.

Amen

also

I cannot believe the Mayor of Baltimore said to give them space so they can destroy

Well, the mayor basically has two choices:

1. Advise people to move away and let them burn themselves out.
2. Send in the police and/or Maryland Guard and watch the whole thing explode.

Given some of the larger gangs in Baltimore are in there right now, option 2 ends in lots of dead people and even more angry people than you had before.


Basically it's like building a fire line. An area where these idiots can do all the damage they want without loss of human life. It's certainly not a great choice, and I don't envy the Mayor having to make it.

Whembly.....Nation of Islam is not a gang nor has it said they are involve. So far its

Crips
Blood
Black Gorilla Family

So cite me where Nation of Islam is involved

Edit

National Guard of MD deployed quite a bit. Most of the units there are combat. So its basically sending in Combat troops

No cavalry charge. No shouting Cossacks. no slashing sabres. meh my fun meter is low.

Re: nation of islam, from Mayor's press conf:



Also:
http://nypost.com/2015/04/27/rival-gangs-team-up-to-take-out-baltimore-cops/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/27/the-bloods-and-crips-anti-cop-ceasefire-in-baltimore.html

Yep, it is getting bad here now... There are groups who are 'organizing violence' which can end up being really dangerous, if impressionable youths are used as pawns.

While most protests are peaceful and violence is usually isolated anarchists, this time it feels different. I know the Mayor is claiming outsiders... which might be true, but this is one of the major differences between DC and Baltimore in our dual city metro area.

Locally, people who live in Baltimore and work 'elsewhere' are basically being urged to not go home and just stay away if they can.

Urged NOT to go home?

Screw that. I'd get home and lock and load, or if you're ayankee I guess get the bat out.

 Frazzled wrote:
Urged NOT to go home?

Screw that. I'd get home and lock and load, or if you're ayankee I guess get the bat out.

You gotta remember, a lot of people live in Baltimore and work in DC or vice versa. So the act of getting 'home' is kinda dangerous right now.

Also, MD has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation and least rights in justified force... So there is a good chance you legally can't 'go home and lock and load' in DC or Baltimore depending on your situation.

Basically, you know where the violence is, and you know how traffic is... If you can avoid dealing with either of it, you are better off right now until they get it under control.

nkelsch wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Urged NOT to go home?

Screw that. I'd get home and lock and load, or if you're ayankee I guess get the bat out.

You gotta remember, a lot of people live in Baltimore and work in DC or vice versa. So the act of getting 'home' is kinda dangerous right now.

Why? This is a question. I only saw a headline.