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Which are the best? Which are the worst? Overrated? Underrated??

Why??

It depends.

It depends.

Sometimes.

Sometimes.

Because that is the only conclusion these threads ever comes to.

So true, no one gives straight up anwsers.
Better asking what people vote the best. I vote kan wall.

Are Kanz in the Ork Fast Attack? (which I thought FA was the abbreviation of?)

Regardless, I agree with Steelmage99 in all way but one. I think its more like:

It depends

Sometimes

Sometimes

Sometimes

Personal opinion? I like Warbikes and Warbuggies because they're fast and cool!

L. Wrex

Yes! DakkaDakka is to full of posts like these. They do not lead to anything constructive.

Please refrease your question instead of what is best, what is worst. And in the end, the best choise is to try them out. Of course you can also read the tactics where it is all covered. Or use the serach function as these questions get asked to often.

It's a simple question guys.

Deffkopta is the best. Scout move first turn kills on transports etc or outflank and go bully stuff. Best in 1-ork units IMO because of the morale and cost issues

Rokkit buggies are the second best, decent way of getting some rokkits in your list, can be used to block etc.

The rest kinda blow, they can be used to pretty decent effect, but IMO, they are not worth their pts.

Illumini wrote:It's a simple question guys.

No its not. There's no simple answer when trying to quantify the pros and cons of any unit, as you have to do more than assess their usefulness in a vacuum. How they play needs to complement the rest of the army, and this can sway one particular unit over another dependant upon how the rest of the army is composed.

There is no 'best' unit in any FOC, as all selections have their particular merits. Asking us to rank them is akin to asking 'whats the best piece in a game of chess?' when you might actually be playing checkers.

L. Wrex

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:

There is no 'best' unit in any FOC, as all selections have their particular merits. Asking us to rank them is akin to asking 'whats the best piece in a game of chess?' when you might actually be playing checkers.

L. Wrex

Sure there is, the vendetta is the best IG fast attack. Thundercav is the best SW fast attack. Pirahna is the best Tau fast attack. Queen is the best chess piece. The white piece third from the left is the best checkers piece. (as a sidenote, seems GW is bad at internal balance when it comes to fast attack )

Anyways, how I read the topic is that he is asking user to rate ork FA in their opinion. I've done that, all previous posters have just posted moaning and complaining. (except you, you added in your preference in addition )

The "it depends" part is what is in the rest of your army.

Stormboyz - speed to a green hoard army. They will die, they will get shot to pieces and probably do nothing but the hoard behind them will get ignored for a turn or two.

Deffkoptas - good AT and alphastrike. If you need it not bad.

Bikes - Kind of in between stormboyz and deffkoptas. Can HTH, some shooty.

Buggies/Trakks = Fast and provide cover for what is behind but don't really expect much out of them.

The issue with all the ork fast is there are usually better places to spend than on your fast attack choices. I have seen the first 3 used to good effect but more as a cover for the real meat-and-potatoes part of someone's ork army.

1.) Deffkoptas

2.) Warbuggies

3.) Stormboyz/Warbikers

Illumini wrote:Sure there is, the vendetta is the best IG fast attack.

Unless you run lots of combined infantry squads with little-to-no armour support.

Illumini wrote:Thundercav is the best SW fast attack.

Unless you run a Loganwing.

Illumini wrote:Pirahna is the best Tau fast attack.

No experience with Tau so can't comment on this one.

Illumini wrote:Anyways, how I read the topic is that he is asking user to rate ork FA in their opinion. I've done that, all previous posters have just posted moaning and complaining. (except you, you added in your preference in addition )

I italicised the bit that he didn't do. He never asked for an opinion. He asked which are the best. Full stop. My arguement is that people can decide on a particular unit's merits from their experiences alone, and with different people having different experiences an absoloute 'best' is very hard to quantify. You may have excellent experiences with Deffkoptas and so believe they are the best, I may have excellent experience with Warbikers so I think they are the best. Those are opinions and as neither of us is right we look to the deciding factor: the army that the unit is included in and how it complements and plays to the strengths of that particular unit.

So my original point stands. The ultimate answer is not that X > Y but rather, as was astutely observed in the very first response, it depends.

L. Wrex

Wall of warbikes shoot ahead.
the smoke gives cover saves to the rest of the army.


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by shoot i mean go fast.

Wrex you are taking this too seriously. The initial post is strictly for fun and to see what people think in their own opinion. Don't bring a lot of fancy words and math stats to a forum topic that is for fun. What do you think he is asking by saying what is the worst what is the best? ANY ANSWER GIVEN IS GOING TO BE AN OPINION!!!!
If I ask you what is the best sandwich your answer will be what?.....YOUR PERSONAL OPINION!

I also agree that the OP's question is inherently flawed and would direct him to the following link:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/320766.page

Illumini wrote:It's a simple question guys.

Deffkopta is the best. Scout move first turn kills on transports etc or outflank and go bully stuff. Best in 1-ork units IMO because of the morale and cost issues

Rokkit buggies are the second best, decent way of getting some rokkits in your list, can be used to block etc.

The rest kinda blow, they can be used to pretty decent effect, but IMO, they are not worth their pts.

Disagree. All depends on what your using them for. Deffkoptors are great when you use them that way. Same with rocket buggies.

Bikes are pretty great in themselevs. Mobile gun platforms for 25pts tha have 4+/4++ save, plus move fast and can hit hard. Well worth the the 25pts. Rather have them then say, marine bikes.

These kind of topics come up ALL THE TIME and every single time the same answer rears itself: it depends. Without any kind of context how can you tell what unit is best? Simply asking 'is this unit worth it?' is pointless. If instead you asked 'here's my army, here's my general strategy would this unit be worth it?' now we can actually offer some insightful advice.

You may as well just put a poll up and use that as a replacement for constructive tactical acumen (hint: it isn't!).

L. Wrex

I am sorry ir this is not how I should have phrased my question. I WAS looking for a simple opinion, and thought it was implied in the thread title. However, I now realise that I should have phrased things differently, and maybe somewhaere slse.
Sorry
:/

Son_of_Deddog:

Please review the guidelines for posting in the 40k Tactics Sub-Forum. You can find them here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/320766.page

Thanks!