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Hi guys,

When looking at Carnifex options I noticed this:

".Replace any set of scything talons with:
- Twin-linked deathspitter.............. xx points per model
- Twin-linked devourers with
Brainleech worms .......................xx points per model"

This may be optimistic at best but does the plural literally mean two twin linked devourers putting out 12 re-rollable shots per turn per set of scything talons?

Cheers,

disty

EDIT - It seems I can't type talons

There should be an 'or' in between the two different guns.


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Else the tables of the free world would be a wall-to-wall wall of Carnifexes.

I think he was asking if the twin linked devourers each consist of 12shot weapons--since each option lists devourers.

To which, I would say no.

A twin linked weapon shoots the same number of shots as a single weapon, but you re-roll misses.

You can exchange one set of talons for one twin-linked weapon.

Without looking it up, I don't know how many shots the Carnifex heavy devourer has.

Does that cover all the bases?

I was asking if the devourers were just that, for example:

Twin-linked deathspitter: str 5 AP 5 Assault (re-rollable)
Twin-linked Devourer (BL): str 6 AP - Assult 6 (re-rollable)
Twin-linked Devourers (BL): str 6 AP - Assult 6 (re-rollable) * 2 (re-reollable) Hence 12

As for the comment concerning 'or' I agree, however that's not how it is in print. Although I'm not that much of a rules lawyer to try that one.

Yes, you can have 2 twin-linked devourers on a Carnifex giving you 12 rerollable strength 6 shots.

Edit:
Now I can see the confusion. Each devourer will only give you 6 twin-linked strength 6 shots. Having 2 sets will give you 12 shots total.

Yes, but not in exchange for a single set of talons.

Otherwise you could have four twin-linked devourers for 24 rerollable shots.

Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, but not in exchange for a single set of talons.

Otherwise you could have four twin-linked devourers for 24 rerollable shots.

Yes that's what I'm getting at. It's fine if everyone is in agreement with it although personally RAW it's 12 shots per set of scything talons, after all it should read deathspitter and devourer or devourers and deathspitters, mixing singular and plurals is asking for trouble. All said though I'm very much a RAI guy, thanks for all your input.

MC's can only fire 2 weapons a turn anyway. 4 Devourers don't make much sense.

disty wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, but not in exchange for a single set of talons.

Otherwise you could have four twin-linked devourers for 24 rerollable shots.

Yes that's what I'm getting at. It's fine if everyone is in agreement with it although personally RAW it's 12 shots per set of scything talons, after all it should read deathspitter and devourer or devourers and deathspitters, mixing singular and plurals is asking for trouble. All said though I'm very much a RAI guy, thanks for all your input.

You're assuming devourers means 2. Why not 3? Or, if you prefer, why not zero? After all, zero devourers is proper.

Grakmar wrote:

disty wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Yes, but not in exchange for a single set of talons.

Otherwise you could have four twin-linked devourers for 24 rerollable shots.

Yes that's what I'm getting at. It's fine if everyone is in agreement with it although personally RAW it's 12 shots per set of scything talons, after all it should read deathspitter and devourer or devourers and deathspitters, mixing singular and plurals is asking for trouble. All said though I'm very much a RAI guy, thanks for all your input.

You're assuming devourers means 2. Why not 3? Or, if you prefer, why not zero? After all, zero devourers is proper.

Haha, that did cross my mind whilst reading but let's not go there; my old screamer-killer has been nerfed enough :(

Curse me for living in a dream world where the old brute is useful!

disty wrote:
Haha, that did cross my mind whilst reading but let's not go there; my old screamer-killer has been nerfed enough :(

Curse me for living in a dream world where the old brute is useful!

He's still a great model. Don't just judge based on competitive play. There's plenty of us out there who play classic non-optimized armies that the Carnifex fits right in.

disty wrote: - Twin-linked devourers with
Brainleech worms .......................xx points per model"

This may be optimistic at best but does the plural literally mean two twin linked devourers putting out 12 re-rollable shots per turn per set of scything talons?

No, it's a single twin-linked weapon but they are always referred to in the plural as a twin-linked weapon consists of two weapons connected.

e.g. Twin-Linked lascannons is two lascannons connected to form a single weapon (one shot) with the twin-linked rule.

However, you can swap both sets of talons for devourers so that you have 2x twin-linked devourers.

The Problem the OP was having was that the Nid Dex Lists all the other T-L Weapon options in the Singular.

Example: Twin linked Deathspitter, or twin linked Heavy Venom Cannon.

Only the Carnifex and the Hive tyrant gets twin linked Devourers.

Then again that might be because the Devourer's Ammunition is also defined; and the Fact that the Definition for Brain-leech worms also refers to them as "devourers" in the Plural.

at any rate it is only the 1 Twin-linked gun with 6 Re-rollable attacks.

Even if you were to take it as a plurality meaning 2 You would Still only Fire 6 re-rollable shots/ twin linked Devourer, so would require both your MC Shooting attacks to get the 12(nothing in it tells you that the Twin-linked Devourers with Brainleach worms count as a single weapon but fire as 2). Mind you the "it's plural, therefore it is 2" theory does allow for some better builds, gaining 2 guns and a Set of CCW biomorphs(lashwhip, bonesword, and 2 Devourers; or Crushing Claws and 2 Devourers). But it relly doesn't seem to work that way.

The simplest way to think about this is like so:

Tyranids:

6 Limbs

2 = Legs/Feet

2 (or 4) = CC weapons (Scything Talons, Crushing Claw, etc)

2 (or 4) = Ranged weapons (All others)

Thusly, you will have modeled 2-4 weapons on the big beasty himself, however they only fire as 2 separate weapons being able to re-roll. As ranged weapons have always taken up 2 arms minimum when modeled on the model itself. There has never been a single arm mounted Ranged weapon. (That I've seen, that isn't made up fan-fiction.)

Anywho, I don't know if this helps, but it's clear in my eyes.

Have fun with your Carnifex's I will miss using them in competitive games.

This Carnifex:

Would like to have a word with you.

This is the Stock, default Configuration for a Carnifex with Devourers(Twin linked). Note that they are 2 separate "hands" holding a Devourer each.

It is still 1 "weapon system" in 2 hands; but more akin to "guns akimbo" then 2-handed wielding of a combined gun.

Fexor wrote:
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Thusly, you will have modeled 2-4 weapons on the big beasty himself, however they only fire as 2 separate weapons being able to re-roll. As ranged weapons have always taken up 2 arms minimum when modeled on the model itself. There has never been a single arm mounted Ranged weapon. (That I've seen, that isn't made up fan-fiction.)

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Ok THIS might have confused you, because I was meaning when you modeled the Carnifex with 4 guns, as in 2 Ranged weapon choices (ie. Two Single Handed Twin-Linked weapon choices, which means 1 in each limb, which would be 4 weapons), you don't get to fire 4 weapons, only 2 with re-rolls. I'm sorry if that was confusing or hard to follow.

Kommissar Kel wrote:This Carnifex:


Would like to have a word with you.

This is the Stock, default Configuration for a Carnifex with Devourers(Twin linked). Note that they are 2 separate "hands" holding a Devourer each.

It is still 1 "weapon system" in 2 hands; but more akin to "guns akimbo" then 2-handed wielding of a combined gun.

So, like I said...1 weapon selection takes up TWO arms. How is this confusing?

You picked Twin-Linked Devourers, there is no option for a single devourer, which means, when you selected the Ranged weapon you HAD to model TWO arms.

Where am I losing you on this?

*Note: The crushing claws also prove my point, 1 weapon selection and the model has TWO arms with Crushing Claws...amazing!

ok so if ordering for forge world i would need two sets the twin linked devourers right? each set they come as a pair so I need in total four arms of twin linked devours right?

You do realize you just resurrected a four year old thread?

yep,


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why make a new thread about the same topic

Dakka's Forum Rules, specifically Rule #6.

For the forgeworld you only need 2 arms. Each arm has two devourers. Totaling 4 Devourers. Each arm is a a twinlinked devourer. You can have a max of 2 twin linked devourers so you need but 1 set (2 arms) for each carnifex. The other two arm sockets go unused if using the forgeworld set.

Forum Tenets maybe?
Resurrecting old threads makes it harder to determine what is and isn't a current issue.

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