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Should I get the 4+ obscured save if I use smoke launchers, and then fleet/run with Dreadnoughts/Defilers?

There is nothing that suggests that the benefit of smoke launchers is lost if you run. So yes, you'll still get the save.

Agreed. And GW has made it pretty clear that you're still able to perform a 'instead of action' even if you're not able to do that action, in that they allow Star Engines to be used by a vehicle that isn't able to fire (is 'shaken').

So as long as you don't shoot (which you're not), then you can 'run' with the walker, even if you already fired smoke launchers that turn.

It's also worth remembering that, as of the recent FAQ update, walkers cannot use smoke launchers after running. There's nothing stopping them from popping the smoke before they run or assault, though.

I guess the walker just makes sure it launches the grenades far enough so as to cover its entire movement.

Madness! wrote: Should I get the 4+ obscured save if I use smoke launchers, and then fleet/run with Dreadnoughts/Defilers?

BRB page 72 2nd paragraph under "Walkers Shooting" says that walkers can run like infantry and though this prevents them from firing and assaulting, they can still use smoke launchers if they have them.

Cheexsta wrote:It's also worth remembering that, as of the recent FAQ update, walkers cannot use smoke launchers after running. There's nothing stopping them from popping the smoke before they run or assault, though.

Was always RAW anyway. Smoke Launchers fire in the Movement Phase and RUN! is in the Shooting Phase. Pretty clear order of operations that imo never needed FAQ if the rules were read properly.

Not even a grey area in the wording.

Oh well.

Marius Xerxes wrote:

Cheexsta wrote:It's also worth remembering that, as of the recent FAQ update, walkers cannot use smoke launchers after running. There's nothing stopping them from popping the smoke before they run or assault, though.

Was always RAW anyway. Smoke Launchers fire in the Movement Phase and RUN! is in the Shooting Phase. Pretty clear order of operations that imo never needed FAQ if the rules were read properly.

Not even a grey area in the wording.

Oh well.

The rules for Smoke Launchers say nothing about the model's movement phase; instead, it says that the vehicle could use them "after completing its move". Running movement is, well, movement so the RAW was that you could fire them after running.

Assaulting is, well, movement; so are you saying they could pop smoke after assaulting??

Cheexsta wrote: Running movement is, well, movement so the RAW was that you could fire them after running.

Wouldn't running be it's 'run' (or 'run move' at a strech)

coredump wrote:Assaulting is, well, movement; so are you saying they could pop smoke after assaulting??

They technically could have before GW's new rulebook FAQ came out.

So the answer is "not anymore"?

Madness! wrote:So the answer is "not anymore"?

Correct. You can no longer run and then pop smoke because of the GW rulebook FAQ. But you can move and then pop smoke and then in the shooting phase run while 'smoking'. You just have to plan ahead.

1) you can't shoot if you drive 12" in a rhino but you can still pop smoke.

2) rhinos can still use smoke when 'shaken'

3) if eldar use blade storm they cant shoot next turn but they can still run.

if everything else can perform an instead of action. i can't see why walkers can't

yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:1) you can't shoot if you drive 12" in a rhino but you can still pop smoke.

2) rhinos can still use smoke when 'shaken'

3) if eldar use blade storm they cant shoot next turn but they can still run.

if everything else can perform an instead of action. i can't see why walkers can't

I think you missed to valid points here:

If you pop Smoke, you [b]Can[/i] Still Run.

and

The FAQ clarifies that by "move" they meant "after they Move in the movement Phase" and that actually moving is not necessary to popping Smoke, but it must still be done in the movement Phase.

Where's the justification for using smoke even though you're shaken again?

Because you perform the action in th emovement phase, mainly

Magnalon wrote:Where's the justification for using smoke even though you're shaken again?

Because the rule in the smoke launcher box on page 62 BRB 3rd paragraph says you can.

albeit raw, it feels awkward to me. It definitely says you can tho so ...

How does it feel akward that the Vehicle takes a hit that frightens the Crew so badly, they cannot return fire... So instead they engage defensive measures?

Modern Pilots do this with Chaff/Defensive flares.

Modern Tank Commanders do it with... well with Smoke launchers.

Modern Troops do it with Smoke/Flash-bang grenades. or covering Fire.

You're comparing crew to a dead guy and remember ATSKNF . It only feels awkward because I didn't know the proper order to do it I suppose

The dead guy is still Crew. And not knowing Fear is different from Fearless; SM still Flee, and can be forced to Flee off table; They just regain confidence when their is sufficient space between them and the Enemy.

I did, however, give a poor example; the shaken hit could also represent a jarring hit that temporarily knocks out Targeting/Fire control where the crew cannot shoot so deploy countermeasures.

Also IG Sentinels can get Smoke launchers too; and they definitely know fear.

I'm not sure what you meant about the order it is done in making it feel awkward?

Main issue is: does a running dread get a 4+ Cover save from having launched smoke?

Of course. Because smoke has no exception saying "unless you Run", and because Run also has no clause saying "this negates smoke".

What about assaulting? Could you pop smoke, charge a unit, and be in cover if you were out of the combat on the enemies turn?

Of course.

The Smoke Launchers tell you what they do. And that continues to apply for as long as it says, unless you find an exception somewhere.