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Hi

I had a game last night and an assult situation happend and i'm not sure if it was done properly, it was a bit confusing.

So I had two thunderwolf cavalry and canis wolf born all in the same unit. They were positioned with the two thunder wolves in front and canis behind. The unit was right on the edge of the table and a rhino was parked on the other side of them so the was no room for manuvering.

They were assulted by 10 dark eldar incubi, with power weapons (i think thats what ther are called). So the dark eldar could only get into base contact with the thunder wolves and not canis. This is were i get confused. It was deemed that they could only direct ther attacks at the thunder wolves and not canis due to the multiple combat/ic rule and that canis could not engage anyone even though he was with 1" of the thunderwolves.

So the dark eldar with an I of 5 killed both thunder wolves. Canis was not allowed to act. So took his morale check which he failed, then lost the role for sweeping advance then died due to failed armour saves for combat resolution.

So yeah im just confused as to weather or not canis should have been able to hit.

cheers for any input.

If you look at page 49, under the rules for ICs in Assaults, it states you treat them as a seperate unit in close combat.

If a unit wishes to attack, it must have one member of that unit in BtB with the enemy - you cant simply be wihin 2" of a friendly other unit.

So Canis, as a unit of 1 (while in close combat) is REQUIRED to be in b2b with the enemy if you want him to fight. If he has no room to move round the incubi (depending on distance the incubi HAVE to try to get into b2b with Canis, if they can possibly do so) then he will not be able to get into B2B, and cannot fight.

This means he cannot hit the enemy unit, they cannot hit him, but is still part of the unit for morale checks at the end.

It sounds like your opponent was correct - which is why you generally dont want combat ICs lagging behind!

cool cheers for clearing that up. I understand it better now.

One other question if I may beacuse i getconfused at this as well. If the DE had of managed to get one model in contact with canis would they have been able to potentially direct all there attacks at canis or would they only be able to use the model that is in contact?

If you have a look at the bullets on close combat it sets out conditions on which models can attack which units in close combat.

So, for example, we have model "A" in close combat:

1) IF A is in base to base with enemy unit B and no other enemy unit, A MUST allocated all attacks to unit B

[remember ICs are units in combat )

2) If A is in base to base with enemy unit B AND enemy unit C, A can choose whethr to attack B or C, or to split his attacks between them.

3) If A is not in b2b with any enemy unit, but is within 2" of a model from his unit in combat with enemy unit B, he can fight and has to allocate to B. And similarly if he is within 2" of moels in his unit that are in base with B and C he can choose to split between B and C, same as situation 2

Remember you work all of this out *after* you defender react, and also have a look at the BRB errata which adds another bullet point to clarify what happens when a new unit charges in to the ongoing combat (you still work it out as above, basically)

Hope that helps...

cool, cheers for clearing that up.

So, as I understand you're saying Canis couldn't pile in, but doesn't the new errata say that independent characters can push other friendly models out of the way in order to get into combat.

Though, it's a little ambiguous. does that mean you can move the rhino? (it is a friendly model) or does that mean you can move the other guys in the unit?

Argitist wrote:So, as I understand you're saying Canis couldn't pile in, but doesn't the new errata say that independent characters can push other friendly models out of the way in order to get into combat.

Canis could have piled in, if he hadn't died instead.

The FAQ is referring to charge reactions. It allows you to move other unengaged models first in order to make room for the IC. It doesn't allow you to push engaged friendly models out of the way to move the IC in.

Though, it's a little ambiguous. does that mean you can move the rhino? (it is a friendly model) or does that mean you can move the other guys in the unit?

Other models in the same unit.