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Its time for me to get a new addition for me SW army.

I have a 10 man squad of Grey Hunters that have no ride so I'm planning on getting them a transport. Touble is I can't decide wich of the two transport options would better of the rhino and the razorback. Is the big gun the razorback provides going to make up for haveing a smaller troop and lossing the free sepcial weapon? Are Grey Hunters Effective in Smaller numbers.

I'll give a breif rundown of army, for some background.

My army has including this squad 3 packs of grey hunters (two squads have Rhinos).

2 x Thunderwolf cavalry

1 x sqaud of long fangs

and a rhune preist.

I'm trying to make a reactive army, and want to make my grey hunters a usefull as I can. Basically holding the middle of my deploment or pressing forwards sofetening targets for the thunderwolves.

(Or should I forget the ride and get vindicator instead?)

Cheers for you input


Edit: added more background after reading the posting guide (sorry)

Well, no matter what transport you decide for I'd recommend getting the Razorback kit, as it can be assembled as both. If you don't glue the top hatches/turret in place, you can swiftly and easily switch between both. Tactically speaking, I have no idea as I don't play SW and haven't ever played against them.

Grey hunters are extremely effective in small units as Close ranged Fire-support. I use several 5 man units with an attached wolf guard in razorbacks.

My units are 5 grey hunters, 1 power fist, 1 Melta or Plasma(Half the units of 1 half the other), 1 mark of the Wulfen, 1 Wolf Banner; and the attached Wolf guard has a Storm Bolter and Thunder hammer. These all ride in Assault Cannon Razorbacks.

First turn i move the razors up 6" and Fire the Assault Cannons. Second turn I do the same, and if close enough to the enemy I get out and Rapid Fire(Putting 10 Bolt-shots down range and either a Melta or a Plasma shot); I then allow the enemy to assault me and go for the Countercharge; which generally nets me 17-19 attacks(Max can be 21), 2 of those attacks are Power fists, 3 are thunder hammers, and 3-5 of them are Rending. this is generally enough to destroy most units that assault, especially if that unit is the same unit I shot up in my turn.

10 grey hunters in a rhino just doesn't seem worth it to me unless they are dual melta armed and only thier to fire the melta out of the Top Hatch as designated tank hunters(with would be just a bare unit plus the 2 meltas; so 155 points plus the 35 point Rhino).

Kommissar Kel wrote:Grey hunters are extremely effective in small units as Close ranged Fire-support. I use several 5 man units with an attached wolf guard in razorbacks.

My units are 5 grey hunters, 1 power fist, 1 Melta or Plasma(Half the units of 1 half the other), 1 mark of the Wulfen, 1 Wolf Banner; and the attached Wolf guard has a Storm Bolter and Thunder hammer. These all ride in Assault Cannon Razorbacks.

First turn i move the razors up 6" and Fire the Assault Cannons. Second turn I do the same, and if close enough to the enemy I get out and Rapid Fire(Putting 10 Bolt-shots down range and either a Melta or a Plasma shot); I then allow the enemy to assault me and go for the Countercharge; which generally nets me 17-19 attacks(Max can be 21), 2 of those attacks are Power fists, 3 are thunder hammers, and 3-5 of them are Rending. this is generally enough to destroy most units that assault, especially if that unit is the same unit I shot up in my turn.

10 grey hunters in a rhino just doesn't seem worth it to me unless they are dual melta armed and only thier to fire the melta out of the Top Hatch as designated tank hunters(with would be just a bare unit plus the 2 meltas; so 155 points plus the 35 point Rhino).

cool thanks for the info. The small sqaud in a razorback certainly sounds like it could have portential from that.

I must admit i'm on the other side of the fence with the large squad thing. I do run two meltas in mine but i don't use them just to fire out the top. I use the rhino purly as a transport. get them to there desired target, unload 16 shots of bolter + 2 of melta. Than be ready to receive an assult if they get one, at point they out mumer the enemy squad by a few. still its good to have the tank hunting opton as well.

Razorback. Because you can sing "Razorback rideeeer" to the tune of "Paperback Writer" while zooming your vehicles.

I would recommend that the attached wolf guard for a razor squad have a matching combi-weapon and powerfist.

The only thing I do not like about the full Squad in a rhino is the lack of Wolf guard in the unit. If you are taking 9 Grey hunters in the Rhino for the added WG, you might as well take the 10th guy for the free second special weapon... But then you cannot fit the unit into the rhino.

And if you are planning to take the Smaller Squad plus WG then you might as well mount them in the razorback because that allows you to have a "light" Predator along with the Squad.

This is actually one of the things I love about Long-fangs with a Razor back; you just about get 2 heavy support Choices for the 1 Slot (Long Fangs heavy weapon support, and the light Pred, especially if you take T-L Lascannons, or Assault Cannons on the Razor).

Coyotebreaks wrote:Its time for me to get a new addition for me SW army.

I have a 10 man squad of Grey Hunters that have no ride so I'm planning on getting them a transport. Touble is I can't decide wich of the two transport options would better of the rhino and the razorback. Is the big gun the razorback provides going to make up for haveing a smaller troop and lossing the free sepcial weapon? Are Grey Hunters Effective in Smaller numbers.

I'll give a breif rundown of army, for some background.

My army has including this squad 3 packs of grey hunters (two squads have Rhinos).

2 x Thunderwolf cavalry

1 x sqaud of long fangs

and a rhune preist.

I'm trying to make a reactive army, and want to make my grey hunters a usefull as I can. Basically holding the middle of my deploment or pressing forwards sofetening targets for the thunderwolves.

(Or should I forget the ride and get vindicator instead?)

Cheers for you input


Edit: added more background after reading the posting guide (sorry)

well you dont really have to decide. just buy the razorback kit. it comes with a razorback weapon top hatch and a rhino top hatch. just dont glue it down and then you can have both.

Switchable Razor/Rhino is the way to go modelwise man. Game-wise, remember the razor is a big target painted on it (hits way harder than rhino, just as easy to kill = priority target). It is not a stand in for a predator, it can take 1 weapons hit before being a punk, and its armor is as weak as a rhino. They work well in groups and massed fire, but one will just say "SHOOT ME FIRST!".

Kommissar Kel wrote:Grey hunters are extremely effective in small units as Close ranged Fire-support. I use several 5 man units with an attached wolf guard in razorbacks.

My units are 5 grey hunters, 1 power fist, 1 Melta or Plasma(Half the units of 1 half the other), 1 mark of the Wulfen, 1 Wolf Banner; and the attached Wolf guard has a Storm Bolter and Thunder hammer. These all ride in Assault Cannon Razorbacks.

First turn i move the razors up 6" and Fire the Assault Cannons. Second turn I do the same, and if close enough to the enemy I get out and Rapid Fire(Putting 10 Bolt-shots down range and either a Melta or a Plasma shot); I then allow the enemy to assault me and go for the Countercharge; which generally nets me 17-19 attacks(Max can be 21), 2 of those attacks are Power fists, 3 are thunder hammers, and 3-5 of them are Rending. this is generally enough to destroy most units that assault, especially if that unit is the same unit I shot up in my turn.

10 grey hunters in a rhino just doesn't seem worth it to me unless they are dual melta armed and only thier to fire the melta out of the Top Hatch as designated tank hunters(with would be just a bare unit plus the 2 meltas; so 155 points plus the 35 point Rhino).

That's a pretty terrible grey hunter setup if your'e playing competitively. Never take a powerfist on a grey hunter, as the point cost is not worth it at all for the grey hunters 1 base attack. You have so many upgrades for a 6 man unit that is extremely easy to destroy. Not sure what kind of opponents your playing against assault you instead of dedicating a very small amount of firepower to wiping out such a weak but expensive unit after you disembark.

cheers for the input all. As suggested I have brought the razorback kit so I can use both options. I'm kicking my self now for buying the other two rhinos and gluing the hatches down. Would be nice to have options with those too.


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yeenoghu wrote:Switchable Razor/Rhino is the way to go modelwise man. Game-wise, remember the razor is a big target painted on it (hits way harder than rhino, just as easy to kill = priority target). It is not a stand in for a predator, it can take 1 weapons hit before being a punk, and its armor is as weak as a rhino. They work well in groups and massed fire, but one will just say "SHOOT ME FIRST!".

I hear you on the razor being a big target. But my thoughts are to keep this unit in reserve so when it comes in hopfully most things will be engages and I use it lend support where needed, or grab an objective late in the game. Dunno would that be a passible tactic?

As what has been said earlier, just spend the extra 2 bucks and get the razorback kit, and don't glue down the top then you can switch between the 2 and test them out.