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How does this work? I was under the impression that it didn't target the unit so couldnt be nulled out by it. Unfortunately I find myself w/o my wolves codex today ...

Null Zone is an area effect that does not target any one specific unit. WT necklaces do nothing to it.

2 bits here:

1) it is the Wolf tail Talisman that has an effect on Enemy Psychic powers not the Wolf tooth Necklace(the necklace lets you hit on a 3+ in CC)

2) Wolf tail Talisman does not care if the unit is targeted or not, it cares when the unit is affected. So When the opponents librarian casts Null Zone the talisman does nothing, If the unit with the talisman is then called upon to make an invulnerable save, and passes; then you get to attempt to nullify the null Zone, if you fail to nullify it you re-roll the Invul save. If you succeed in nullifying the Null Zone it is gone until re-cast.

Kommissar Kel wrote:
2) Wolf tail Talisman does not care if the unit is targeted or not, it cares when the unit is affected. So When the opponents librarian casts Null Zone the talisman does nothing, If the unit with the talisman is then called upon to make an invulnerable save, and passes; then you get to attempt to nullify the null Zone, if you fail to nullify it you re-roll the Invul save. If you succeed in nullifying the Null Zone it is gone until re-cast.

I agree. Null Zone specifically forces the SW unit to do something (re-roll successful invuln saves), so as such the Wolf Tail Talisman would be able to attempt to nullify it.

whoops do that alot, feels a bit op to myself but oh well ...

yakface wrote:Null Zone specifically forces the SW unit to do something, so as such the Wolf Tail Talisman would be able to attempt to nullify it.

No different than SoB Shield of Faith then? WH40K has a somewhat bad record when it comes to what makes an "offensive" and a "defensive" power, and what may nullify which. They've even put out FAQs with the opposite ruling based on the same wording for DH/WH wargear and powers.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:whoops do that alot, feels a bit op to myself but oh well ...

op? in that codex? you can't be serious man.

the big op ones dont worry me, its the smaller ones that stack w the Bigger ones

Spetulhu wrote:

yakface wrote:Null Zone specifically forces the SW unit to do something, so as such the Wolf Tail Talisman would be able to attempt to nullify it.

No different than SoB Shield of Faith then? WH40K has a somewhat bad record when it comes to what makes an "offensive" and a "defensive" power, and what may nullify which. They've even put out FAQs with the opposite ruling based on the same wording for DH/WH wargear and powers.

We're in complete agreement that these rules are terribly worded to make sure *nobody* really knows how to play them properly. And they keep doing it to. The new DE codex has one model that is immune to the effects of all psychic powers, which leads to all sorts of crazy questions they'll never even tough in a FAQ.

But I'm not sure exactly which FAQ ruling you're referring to. Is it in a current one? If so, can you quote it?

yakface wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:They've even put out FAQs with the opposite ruling based on the same wording for DH/WH wargear and powers. [/quote

But I'm not sure exactly which FAQ ruling you're referring to. Is it in a current one? If so, can you quote it?

I'm talking about the DH/WH FAQs... where SoB Shield somehow had no effect on powers that made them roll dice (like VoT) while the DH Null Rod even worked on passive stuff like defensive powers that did nothing directly to the rod holder. I'm pretty sure the SoB are "in the area of effect" if the power makes them roll dice or lose their shots.

edit: ok, not identical wording... but close enough IMO. And totally opposite rulings on what "affects" the unit.