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Hi guys i am planning a Imperial Guard army list that specializes against dark eldar (under the new dark eldar codex ). This army will have loads of infantry and heavy weapons squad but NO TANKS. Shocked aren't you? But each squad has a heavy bolter and the weapon teams have three. Since pretty much all dark eldar vechiles are av 10 even a heavy bolter can penetrate it and can shred infantry squads. Any thoughts or modifications would be great thanks. Post back soon

Welcome to dakka dakka!

Why not go with autocannons instead of heavy bolters? They will much more reliably pop light armor and still have a decent rate of fire for turning on squads.

yeah but heavyb bolters have faster fire. thanks for comment though. what adjustments would i need to make should i go againsts orks or sm?

Brother Hestapheus wrote:yeah but heavyb bolters have faster fire.

Heavy bolters are the worst heavy weapons available to IG. We simply don't need it. With as many weapons as we can fit in a list, a generalist weapon like a heavy bolter serves no purpose. Autocannons cost the same and have much high performance.

what adjustments would i need to make should i go againsts orks or sm?

Take an all-comers list rather than tailoring anything specific. Your army needs to be able to handle every possible threat, most of the time you don't know what your opponent will bring even if you know the army itself.

Check this article out for some help:

http://theback40k.blogspot.com/2010/01/you-brought-what.html

yes, even though heavy bolters get an extra shot, their lower strength makes the autocannon better.

That said, don't feel like you need to utterly spam autocannons in order to win against DE raider spam. Their vehicles are so weak that really a little dab will do ya.

Also, consider more close-in options. Like light-side eldar and tau, dark eldar can be extremely vulnerable when they lack room to maneuver, and when their opponents get in close and start manhandling him. Consider plasma guns, as they are just as good as autocannons, but can also close in with field position and shoot in the same turn.

good call i think i will take autocannons then heavy bolters are my favourite weapons though in terms of an imperial army. i had a heavy bolter once against space marines - 3 shots, 3 hit, 3 wound, 3 dead terminators! no joke that actually happened! epic fail on the space marines

if you can add some scout sentinels with auto cannons that might be good against the DE. Outflank, pop some shots, blow something up. Plust, you can always tie up a unit in CC with a sentinel. Keeps you on your objectives longer.

yeah but that wrecks the point of NO TANKS

sentinels aren't tanks.

not really, sentinels are lone wolves, infantry with upgrades, and arent technically a tank, besides, anything that looks near identical to somethign from star wars doesnt deserve to be called a tank but seriously, i ran a blob ig army for a while, and spammed the heck out of sentinels, they are cheap (35 points each, 40 with an AC) and have you seen a sentinel? and 9 sentinels is a scary sight, because its only 360 points...

my bad :( anyway sentinels cost a fair bit for 1 walker at £18 that a bolter could take down

sentinels are walkers, therefore, infantry like in rules for movement, running, and assault. look around on trade forums, you might be able to pick up a sentinel or two. but they are great for the outflank ability.

can armoured sentinels outflank?

Brother Hestapheus wrote:can armoured sentinels outflank?

Nope. For cheap sentinels try ebay ...

only scout sentinels can outflank? -sigh-

technically if you leave the roof off the cadian pattern sentinel, and prop the windows open, its a scout sentinel... thats what i do

Might do that. I mean I may as well use scout sentinels for their outflank and that dark eldar wont care how armoured they are they will still pop them open and take the wreckage to the arenas of commaragh

also, take a platoon with Al'rahem, that entire platoon can then outflank as well

What could I use for a Cadian equivalent of Al'rahem?

a guy with a plasma pistol? idk, look at his wargear, and model a cadian with the exact same wargear...
EDIT:
he has a power weapon that inflicts instant death always and a PP...so a guy with a PP and a really big power sword...also: just for clarification, write his name around the base, thats what i do with my special characters since none of mine are the actual model

The current Al'rahem is not a bad model but need more cadian like

there is no "current" al'rahem model...at least i cant find it on tje gw site

There is/was! I think...maybe...possibly...i think there is in the guard codex

Brother Hestapheus wrote:There is/was! I think...maybe...possibly...i think there is in the guard codex

He's in the codex, but no current model for him. There isn't really much else you could proxy him for, so just use whatever you have to hand!

my bad

Brother Hestapheus wrote:The current Al'rahem is not a bad model but need more cadian like

No, you're right, GW has made an Al'Rahem model, and because it was that only one they ever made, it is technically the current one.

Honestly, I just use a old metal cadian officer from the blister backs (the one with the huge power weapon and plasma pistol). He looks big and impressive enough to be a special character, while also clearly looking more cadian:


(the guy with the big power weapon on the left)


(the guy with the power weapon sticking out of the huge mass of troops)

You could snag a Dark Eldar weapon for the Claw of the Desert Tigers. That's Al'Rahems unique weapon. A big, spiky, curved blade is just the ticket.

Autocannons are very good at taking down Raiders, Venoms, and even Ravagers, but plasma is good too as has been pointed out. If you really just want to build for DE, I would recommend as many 48" range, S7+ shots as possible. You can absolutely end a real-space raid with a good first turn.

Some cleanup will still be needed, so don't forget some anti-infantry stuff.

If you play a bunch of heavy weapon squads, a Lord Commissar might be worth considering for his leadership bubble. To justify the points though you would need a fair few HWS's. He can take a cloak and join one squad to give it stealth. He can take some fighty gear for those bad-day last stands too.

If you play standard missions, you will have trouble with Seize Ground with an all-infantry list. Al-Rahem will help some, but it is still difficult. You'll have trouble winning Capture and Control too. Trust me when I tell you, your DE-playing friends may just get tired of Annihilation missions very quickly.

i have been thinking of making an al'rahem model cadian style. probably just start with a mini out of the command squad frame, then, add a plasma pistol. as far as a special sword, cut the chain sword off at the hilt, then, look around the Warhammer fantasy for a sword.

all you have to do is let your opponent know prior to the start of the game that he is al'rahem.

i made my own SGT bastonne and Marbo (cadian gear).

I knew they had made an Al'rahem, look on ebay. You will probably find one there. Only problem is, I don't fancy buying a CCS though. I wanted to get metal officers and Standard and Medic that are also metal


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I also thought I saw him in the IG codex under Tallarn Desert Raiders but probably i'm going crazy...probably...