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I really don't like the Epic minatures but is it worth getting them? I mean, is the game any good?

game is great in my opinion, if you dont like the minis they perhaps you should think about proxies that you will like?

Good I might start soon . One more thing, is it that tactical though like 40k or WFB?

It's much more tactical than both 40K or WFB.

Blimey...I'm SO playing it!! I love strategy games!

What army is the most fun to use?

I will admit that I am a little biased, but..... Epic is a very tactical game. You have to pre-plan your space assets and bombardments, think about the best engagement distances for your units, recover when units take a lot of incoming firepower, react to breakthroughs by the enemy and many other factors.

My advice would be to simply download the rules from the GW site. They are a free download and you can give them a read through. You can even draw out some simple tokens and play a small game (although be aware that you wont get the full tactical effect with a small game, as it wont include space craft, aircraft, super heavy vehicles, titans, etc).

Also, if you dont like the Epic miniatures, there are several manufacturers out there making 6mm miniatures. There is a pretty good list here:

http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13635

It is easy enough to proxy out a full force for any of the available army lists using other miniatures, and several people have either done this or used other miniatures to suppliment their Epic forces. Some threads to hopefully show off Epic and 6mm miniatures in a better light:

http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19634

http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18395

http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19758

http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19478

http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17624&start=165

As long as things are clear and you are consistent, there should be no problem using a proxy set of miniatures.

Thanks for the advice! Do you have to paint epic minis?

No problem.

If you mean 'are Epic miniatures supplied unpainted', then yes, they are in either the standard GW grey plastic* or bare metal.

If you mean 'do I have to paint Epic miniatures', then yes, I do... I have so many still to go and very few focussed enough, so I dont have a single full army!

If you mean 'do you have to paint Epic miniatures' then this is true as much as it is for other games such as 40K. Most games and players are not too strict about this, but as with any game, painted miniatures make the game a lot more impressive and enjoyable.

To look at your earlier question of what army is most 'fun'... it depends on how you like to play. There should not be too many surprised in Epic (aside from Marines, which are far more surgical and fragile that you will be used to if you play 40K). Do you like long range firepower, masses of tanks, huge titans, swarms of infantry or close combat slicing?

* I note that 'GW Grey' is becoming a certified colour even outside wargaming circles these days!

so... if you don;t like the minis, how do you suppose you'll play the game? the sheer scale of the game is why I wanted to play it before the rules turned around.

Wouldn't that be extremely hard to paint though?

It depends. There is a shift in painting style for this scale. If you expect to paint in the eye-balls and medals on the miniatures, then you will go crazy.

You need to think about the overall effect of the miniatures, looked at from a couple of feet away, ranked up. In actual fact, painting at this scale is often easier than larger scale miniatures. You can very easily get away with a simple block colour a wash and a single highlight layer, and the infantry will look fantastic with just that. You also need to think about a slight change in colours. At this scale, harsher contrasts and more abrupt layers work best, and there really isnt the room or scale for subtle shading, unless you are working on a titan.

We are just coming to the end of EpiComp10. The Epic Painting Competition (EpiComp) has been running since 2003, every single year, and attracts some of the best painters at this scale in the world - just for the love of the scale and game.

Last years gallery is here (and you can click around to find previous years showcase):

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/archive/lib/comp/epicomp09/index.html

So, no, painting at 6mm is not more difficult than other scales, and is often easier, but you can also totally go to town with 6mm miniatures in a way that many wargamers find surprising.

For example.... http://hobbybrush.com/scifi/6mmepic/loganmk2/

So you don't have to paint them as well as you would with bigger minatures?

Its not so much about painting them 'as well' as it is about the effect that you are trying to achieve. Let me put it this way.... You paint up your 40K miniatures, to the best of your ability, but now you take 200 infantry Marines and put them on a table. Not only will all your detail be swamped and lost in the huge mix, but a lot of forces will look incoherent as each model (generally) is painted as an individual. Epic is about painting armies, not figures. You need to ensure that your paint scheme works across infantry, tanks, titans and aircraft. You need to be coherent and themed. Your force needs to look like a large force from the same background, home world, and campaign, etc. This can actually be difficult, but very rewarding.

So it it hard to devise a colour scheme then?

No. Not at all. But you need to think about how you apply it to the various (very different) models. I guess that all that I am saying is that painting 6mm is just as rewarding as painting 28mm.

Is t best not to paint details then?

Oh no, you can paint details if you want to. but they need to be secondary to a unified theme. The mini's have little embellishments such as Aquilla on the imperial tanks that you can bring out, there's hatches and tracks to pick out... faces I'd not worry about too much other than a splotch of flesh

Think of it as the way a modern battleforce looks. All the vehicles have the same basic colour scheme but there are markings to identify which unit they belong to. You can do the same with your epic force. symbols to identify company and detachment etc.

Thanks thats been a big help also modern battleforces tend not to have blue or green skin


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or ray guns

Brother Hestapheus wrote:Thanks thats been a big help also modern battleforces tend not to have blue or green skin

He disagrees.

Jake

Or ray guns

Brother Hestapheus wrote:Or ray guns

We gots them too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

Jake

Wow. My bad