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What equipment is recommended for a SM terminator CC squad? IC's? LR?

My favorite build is probably 3 LCs, 2 TH/SS, Lysander, and a LR, either Crusader or standard pattern (Redeemer is far too situational for my tastes).

prime12357 wrote:
What equipment is recommended for a SM terminator CC squad? IC's? LR?

I prefer a 5 man thunder hammer squad, with a librarian, riding in a crusader with multi melta.

For 460 points you get a solid unit that can pretty much take anything else on. The librarian has null zone for those situation where you absolutely need it. The TH can kill nearly everything in the game, and the SS makes the unit hard to kill for its points. The crusader has good anti infantry ability, and the MM and assault cannon are solid anti mech.

I don't like the LC termies unless they are Blood Angels, the LC is specialized in infantry killing, and is overkill by a large magnitude for such. They can struggle big stuff like cc dreds and MCs, due to lower strength, and lack of a good invul (a 5+ is crappy, just ask a daemon player).

As for mixing the two, its not the best IMHO, but some people swear by it. I just think it makes an amazing unit (ran either way) conflicted in its use. Plus it is annoying to have to sort the dice for saves and attacks...

I don't recommend the chaplain IC or captain IC for them, as the chaplain gives them a buff that makes them even more overkill in most situations, and the captain is just a beat stick character, when you should only run IC that give you larger benefits (like a hood or chapter tactics) If you take a special character for them, consider vulcan, as it makes the TH even more effective, and gives the MM a buff (and a good army wide buff too)

Awesome, thanks!
What about BA then? I've run 3 LC, 2 TH/SS, priest and libby. It seems to work pretty well

I pretty much agree with notabot. except about the lightning claws. I'm one of the people who swear by it. There are times you dont need the thunder hammer and it actually hurts you because it strikes at low initiative. a LC or two also makes the unit more resilient because of wound allocation. In general though you're going to want more thunder hammers than lightning claws. dont bother with the chaplain. give the librarian null zone.


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If you're only moving 6 terminators take the redeemer. the flame storm cannons are very powerful.

I should probably rephrase this post, go for more of a poll type thing

Thanks guys!

I swear by the following unit. Some people will criticize my choices of putting in a LC model, and some will attack the LRC instead of another LR. Whatever the criticism, I have tried it all and landed on this build:

Libby with TDA and SS, Nullzone +avenger
Terminators 1x LC and 4x TH/SS
LRC w/MM and extra armour. Extra armour is really not necessary, as it comes into play so infrequently. Its the only thing I'm liable to change going forward.

wow. Dracos agrees with me. I will have to seriously rethink my position.

Don't be too upset, I like the LRC better than the LRR. We can at least disagree on that.

I run all TH/SS myself ( gotta love that 3++ ),with either a libby or chaplain in TDA.Then i put them in a LRR more than a standard or an LRC.I have seen how effective LC's are at killing however,i recently lost a Tac squad to BT Termies in a game at my FLGS.

I've had some luck deep striking TH/SS squads, everything else seems to just get shot to pieces, but 3++ seems to keep them safe...

DS Terminators is pretty pointless with Assault terminators. Shooty terminators can at least blast something when they come in and DS is risky because of scatter. they are also in a nice pie plate formation and if your opponent has some Vindicators or Demolishers he will have a field day.

you also don't know when they will arrive.

send them in a LR.

my preferred ratio of TH to LC is 3 to 2. three TH/SS guys to take heavy attacks and kill tanks, 2 LC guys to rip infantry up.

As I play Black Templars, 3 or 4x LCs and 1 or 2x TH/SS with Furious Charge in a LRC. Bringing the pain to MEQ units like there's no tomorrow!

With marines that don't have access to FC for termies though, I'd probably go with the "pure" TH/SS with a libby w/ Null Zone in either a LRC or a LRD though.

Grey Templar wrote:DS Terminators is pretty pointless with Assault terminators. Shooty terminators can at least blast something when they come in and DS is risky because of scatter. they are also in a nice pie plate formation and if your opponent has some Vindicators or Demolishers he will have a field day.

you also don't know when they will arrive.

send them in a LR.

my preferred ratio of TH to LC is 3 to 2. three TH/SS guys to take heavy attacks and kill tanks, 2 LC guys to rip infantry up.

DS assault termies can work... but I recommend a termie librarian with vortex so you can do something the turn they come in. With that S10 AP1 shot, you can kill a transport, then the next turn assualt (or keep doing it, forcing your opponent to run away from his threat bubble)

Hmm this got me thinking...I like the sound of 5CCTermis in a LRR with PA chaplain and Kantor.
+1 attacks to all except kantor and rerolls on the charge. I'd probably do it with 5 THSS termis just for coolness, and give the chaplain a powerfist.
Hurr!

5x Th/ss termies with Vulkan in LRR. MC Ths.

Kapitan Montag wrote:Hmm this got me thinking...I like the sound of 5CCTermis in a LRR with PA chaplain and Kantor.
+1 attacks to all except kantor and rerolls on the charge. I'd probably do it with 5 THSS termis just for coolness, and give the chaplain a powerfist.
Hurr!

Serious overkill.

There are few units that can survive a charge from 6x LC terminators and a chaplain. Kantor can hitch a rid with another unit if you MUST have those scoring Sternguard.