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I have just started a new Space marine army that uses ultramarines and blood angels rules. I wanted to get Dante to make my sanguinary guard troops and take pedro kantor to count my sternguard as scoring units, but can i do this? Thanks a lot, also this is kind of a painting question but the scheme is a red body and a blue helmet. I am trying to get a the same color as blood angels devastators but i cant find a tutroial. Please help. Just for for anyone who cares the chapter name is the Sons of Lucifer.

Yes if your opponent allows it. Otherwise no, as you may not combine those codexes.

absolutely not, you pick all your choices from 1 codex.
Now for a game with mates, its up to them, but bear in mind it will be cheating in a normal game

okay i didnt think so i just wanted to check with people who had been playing longer. then the only thing ultramarines will be the fluff and color scheme. Any ideas on the helmet though

you will probably want to make up your mind as to which codex you want to play from. vanilla marines and blood angels codexes, looking to have you are cake and eat it too?

that being said, I play Dark Angels, but I am playing around with using the vanilla codex, but I am not swinging back and forth so I can get an orbital bombardment, Lysander, and fearless terminators...

yeah when you put it that way i understand. the only point in using the vanilla codex is for pedro cantor and a couple of the special characters

Cross-codex combinations generally will unbalance the game, although whether or not it's in your favour is up for debate. However FC Sternguard that are also Scoring units are pretty scary when competing for objectives.

so are three units of scoring 2+ save, power weapons, deathmasks, and various nasty gun wielding sanguinary guard

To do the helmet, if your asking for a paint color from GWS i used regal blue over a necron abyss coat when i did mine. Also a shadow grey trim, or a mix of regal blue and white to do the edges.

mercurialman wrote:so are three units of scoring 2+ save, power weapons, deathmasks, and various nasty gun wielding sanguinary guard

Yeah but they occupy a troop choice, Sternguards do not. Sang Guard in the Elite slot cant cap points. Sternguards give you even more possible Objective cappers on top of everything else.

You can always do what I did, repaint Mr. Kantor into your chapter colors and change his name to something else. Thats what I did when I started painting him like an IF. Although that is a bit easier because of the matching symbols. He still has his equipped weapons as the model is fairly complete with his equipment.

dalsiandon wrote:You can always do what I did, repaint Mr. Kantor into your chapter colors and change his name to something else. Thats what I did when I started painting him like an IF. Although that is a bit easier because of the matching symbols. He still has his equipped weapons as the model is fairly complete with his equipment.

Except he cant do that because he's using BA rules.

No, you can use only one codex. Pick one.

Rules from one codex only, fluff and colours from wherever you like, as they do not affect game play.

Mattieau wrote:

dalsiandon wrote:You can always do what I did, repaint Mr. Kantor into your chapter colors and change his name to something else. Thats what I did when I started painting him like an IF. Although that is a bit easier because of the matching symbols. He still has his equipped weapons as the model is fairly complete with his equipment.

Except he cant do that because he's using BA rules.

So he cant repaint Kantor into a blood angel and call him Bob the Blood Angel?

yes he can do that, but he cant be "Bob the blood Angel" with good ol Pedro's Rules. He can use the model but not the rules in a Blood Angel army, Simples

Formosa wrote:yes he can do that, but he cant be "Bob the blood Angel" with good ol Pedro's Rules. He can use the model but not the rules in a Blood Angel army, Simples

Okay, I understand that. He isn't Mr. Kantor and he isn't a CF so he wouldn't get the benefit of those rules. You would find the rules for a Blood Angel Capitan or Commander instead.

If you want to have both, you have to use the detachment rules.

You'll need 1HQ and 2 Troops from each army.

Also, Kantor is not an ultramarine.

Xenith wrote:If you want to have both, you have to use the detachment rules.

There's a bit of a common misconception there...

The Multiple Detachment rules allow you to create a force made up of several separate detachments, each of which count as a separate army. However, there is nothing in that section that states that these separate armies can be drawn from different codexes. You are technically still bound by the normal rule requiring a force to come from a single codex.

However, in general practice, the multiple detachment rules are quite often used as you mention.

Using Kantor in a BA list is like me usnig Ghazgkull in a guard list, or Lilith Hespirax in my orks. You cant do it for balance reasons.

dalsiandon wrote:

Mattieau wrote:

dalsiandon wrote:You can always do what I did, repaint Mr. Kantor into your chapter colors and change his name to something else. Thats what I did when I started painting him like an IF. Although that is a bit easier because of the matching symbols. He still has his equipped weapons as the model is fairly complete with his equipment.

Except he cant do that because he's using BA rules.

So he cant repaint Kantor into a blood angel and call him Bob the Blood Angel?

He can, if he's using C:SM for his army.

If you want to represent a Blood Angels tactical company then it would be perfectly appropriate to use C:SM for the whole army.
Likewise, if you were representing an Ultramarines assault company then you could use C:BA for the whole army.
The colour your models are painted really isn't important.

What you can't do is pull units from more than one codex into an army.

Apocalypse is pretty much the only way you could do it outside of friendly games

alright i also bought a group of grey knight terminators and painted them my chapter colors. I used them at my local tournament. Is this allowed since grey knights are a space marine chapter. Keep in mind i did not use nemesis force weapon bonuses.

You can use any model you like, as long as it supports wysiwyg as far as you can, and counts as otherwise.

However tournaments vary, as a TO can decide to ban models/armies/painting schemes at will - it's their tournament.

Sure. He's in the codex. It doesn't matter what 'color scheme' you have.


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mercurialman wrote:alright i also bought a group of grey knight terminators and painted them my chapter colors. I used them at my local tournament. Is this allowed since grey knights are a space marine chapter. Keep in mind i did not use nemesis force weapon bonuses.

Yes.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Sure. He's in the codex. It doesn't matter what 'color scheme' you have.

It does matter if that other colour scheme is BA and you're using the BA codex.