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I want to start a nemo list at 15pts. I know this leaves me with very few options but what would be the best 'jacks to start of with so I could later on build a tiered list.

I have an idea of some basic 'jacks that appear in most Cygnar lists but I'm not sure wheather they will work well with nemo.

Also are there any solos I should take particular notice of?

I think the thunderclad would look really cool with nemo, but that is more aestethics..

Nemo in my head is lightning al th way, so I would try to include storm-units and as many jacks as fit.

For 15 pts it will probably be a Mangled metal game and then you will be looking at a thunderhead and a charger or 2. Or if no thunderhead maybe 2 ironclads. Something allong that line IMHO.

Stormsmiths, they become nasty with eNemo's elite cadre. eNemo's problem in small games is that he is good with jacks and you cannot get enough jacks into small games.

All of the heavies are good with him, I would take Hammersmith and Ironclad at this level, Thunderhead is too expensive at 15 pts. Charger and couple of stormsmiths to fill the points. If solos are not allowed, you could drop the smiths and charger and replace them with a hunter.

Jacks, stormsmiths & the reinholt are all he needs.

so with stomsmiths and reinholt what jacks would be useful.

Does he play play very differently from pNemo? I mean he is different but other than stormsmiths in his tiers is there anything that make him different from his prime form

http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiCygnar

eNemo is more of a jack caster.... generally due to his feat and upkeeps.
pNemo is more of a balanced caster...and infantry frier if you use the supporting elements to get him 9-10 focus a turn.

Well I do love jacks so it will be eNemo for the moment any advice on good jacks for him?

Hammersmith, Stormclad, Ironclad / Rowdy, Defenders, and the Thunderhead are all good for him. The Hammersmith, and both 'clads as well as Rowdy love the buffs and feat turn. The defender is a good point defense jack to keep rogue Molik Karn's at bay and the Thunderhead is always fun for a 12"+ bubble of "Don't go there".

Lancers are always good but that goes without saying.

eNemo doesn't do anything with a lancer, he doesn't have spells you would want to arc. eNemo is all about the upkeeps he has.

The difference between e and pNemo is that pNemo makes one jack really good, by giving it lot of focus with supercharge and give it out of activation movement with locomotion. eNemo runs a pack of jacks well with feat and energizer. With pNemo you'll take one heavy to do the lifting and lancer to arc chain lightning/ voltaic snare. With eNemo you put fail safe to one jack to take the enemy charge and then hit back with one enchanced with lightning shroud.

Most ridiculous list to give eNemo is as many chargers as you can fit to the army. On feat turn all of them get full focus and with energizer you can look for the openings to get to enemy caster.

I agree with using Chargers, I even agree with using multiple Chargers, I don't agree with all Chargers.

15pts Epic Nemo

eNemo
Ironclad x2
Charger
Stormsmith x3

Ironclads for budget smackdown, you could go with better jacks, but Nemo needs more jacks, not better. Ironclads can deal with anything if close enough.
Charger for efficient ranged action, three jacks in 15pts isn't bad, especially when only one is a light.
Three Stormsmiths for triangulation and firepower.

I'm stil pretty new to the whole warmachine thing but it looks to me like you have qiute a few 'jacks in that list Orlanth

eNemo's got one of the better(and very fun) tier lists, where you can chain lightning all over the place. Here's my 35pt tier 3 list:

General Adept Nemo
Firefly
Firefly
Stormclad
Squire
Storm Tower
Storm Tower
Storm Tower
Stormguard (Leader and 5 Grunts)
Stormguard (Leader and 5 Grunts)
Stormsmith Stormcaller
Stormsmith Stormcaller
Stormsmith Stormcaller

At 50 pts, I'd probably add a Thunderhead and flesh out the Stormguard. BTW one of those Storm Towers is free as a tier bonus.

warsmith pyrus wrote:I'm stil pretty new to the whole warmachine thing but it looks to me like you have qiute a few 'jacks in that list Orlanth

Well eNemo is one of the best casters in the game to run multiple jacks, if you want to play him why not play to him strenghts. If you want to play with infantry there are better casters in Cygnar to do that. eNemo doesn't help infantry much. Also you cannot fit too many figs in 15 pts, you have to play with at least 1 heavy, 2 is better especially if you can spare the focus and there are some khador in the area. eNemo definitely has the focus, so I would play a list pretty close to what Orlanth is suggesting.

Metsuri wrote:eNemo doesn't do anything with a lancer, he doesn't have spells you would want to arc. eNemo is all about the upkeeps he has.

True, but I usually take a lancer with him since I don't really want him near the lines so the lancer helps with keeping him back but still moving around upkeeps as needed. As vital as with pNemo, no but not a bad option.

So with eNemo would I be better off running all or nearly all heavy jacks as he seems to work with them pretty well. Is the Fire fly a good choice with him anyway.

DrunkenBoxer wrote:eNemo's got one of the better(and very fun) tier lists, where you can chain lightning all over the place. Here's my 35pt tier 3 list:

General Adept Nemo
Firefly
Firefly
Stormclad
Squire
Storm Tower
Storm Tower
Storm Tower
Stormguard (Leader and 5 Grunts)
Stormguard (Leader and 5 Grunts)
Stormsmith Stormcaller
Stormsmith Stormcaller
Stormsmith Stormcaller

At 50 pts, I'd probably add a Thunderhead and flesh out the Stormguard. BTW one of those Storm Towers is free as a tier bonus.

The OP is asking for 15pts

small difference

warsmith pyrus wrote:So with eNemo would I be better off running all or nearly all heavy jacks as he seems to work with them pretty well. Is the Fire fly a good choice with him anyway.

Yes, do take heavy jacks. The trouble is heavy jacks cost a lot and in 15pts you can only afford two if at leasst one is an Ironclad. You could have a Defender or Centurion, but that limits your options elsewhere. because Nemos spells and feat work on all his battlegroup you are avised to take as many jacks as possible. add these points together and two Ironclads plus something else is about optimum.

A Firefly is a good choice, but it leaves only 2pts remaining. You could IIRC triangulate with a Firefly and two Stormcallers and argueably it has a better theme for Nemo with your lightning jack. However I prefer a Charger and an extra Stormcaller doing the same thing. You can afford to keep the third central Stromcaller further back than the jack, while the other two advance on the flanks. Besides the Charger is free to screen Nemo wheras the Firefly is needed to stay where it triangulates. What a Firefly is better at is charging forward keeping your two flanking Stormcallers back and creating a survivable forward pointing triangulation, because most trianguilations are made of squishies you have to point the triangle covered towards you.
It's a tough call, both options work.

You still ideally want three jacks with eNemo, and at least one should be a solid heavy, preferably two.
Another option, if you like the Firefly to look at is:

eNemo
Defender
2x Firefly
2x Stormcaller

Here you have four triangulation points so you can make a lot of lightning coverage, two points can be from advancing jacks. This also unlocks your second benefit of the teired list. i was tempted to recommend a Centurion, a Centurion is a very survivable tanking unit, particularly with eNemos upkeeps. You only have the one hard hitting weapon for jack bashing though, on the Centurion, and its not very mobile. A Defender gives you a better offense, and you can hold it back as a close bullet shield for the warcaster.

well orlanth I guess I'll just have to play around with the two lists you have proposed to me. Thank you very much! (although I'd be more fond of the second list due to it's fluffiness, but the first has more heavy jacks which could pose a problem at this level)

Are the tiers attached to eNemo worth building a list to?

For a n00b how difficult of a caster is he to start with?

When I expand the army do I need to add a lot of infantry or keep the whole jacks and stormsmiths thing going?

Is it possible to run "p" and "e" Nemo lists in a steam roller tourny and do well?


Edit: Forgot to add some questions

Nemo's tiers are one of the few that is worth taking IMO. They both have access to stuff you'd normally take with him. Both of them can compete pretty well in a tournament setting but remember he's on old man with old man stats. Watch out for scenarios like Killbox that make him have to get closer.

So running two nemo lists in a steamroller isn't a terrible idea. Huzzah I just need to make sure each one deals with what the other doesn't.