What is the best Land Raider varient?

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**RaptorsTalon**

What is the best Land Raider varient?
The title says it all.

What does dakka think?

Personaly I would choose the Achilles because of it's Thunderfire cannon and Feromatic Invundrability special rule.

**Grey Templar**

i vote the regular LR.

2 TL lascannons that can fire at different targets and a HB for infantry.

**Monster Rain**

Grey Templar wrote:2 TL lascannons that can fire at different targets and a HB for infantry.

And a 10 point Multi-Melta; all that plus the hurt you've got loaded up inside makes you ready for just about anything.

Phobos pattern Land Raider is the best Land Raider.

**tedurur**

The achilles is à massivly broken LR that can not be played outside of Apoc. So it gets my vote for being "best". Out of the playable LRs I'd go with the LRC

**AlmightyWalrus**

tedurur wrote:The achilles is à massivly broken LR that can not be played outside of Apoc. So it gets my vote for being "best". Out of the playable LRs I'd go with the LRC

This.

**VikingScott**

Actually at the bottom of the data sheet it says it's a heavy support choice for any marine dex except BA.

**Pael**

Normal is best, why else would Chaos Space Marines use it exclusively?

**dignifiedsausage**

Redeemer. Not only is it cheaper than the other 2 playable ones but it's Flamestorm cannons are awesome. They can take out horde and MEQ and has (well, should have) a Multi-Melta to destroy vehicles. I think out of all of them though, the Achilles is top overall.

**Grey Templar**

VikingScott wrote:Actually at the bottom of the data sheet it says it's a heavy support choice for any marine dex except BA.

Yes, it is in the soon to be released IA10 book.

and technically, all IA books are GW products and therefore completely legal in normal games. tournaments normally don't allow FW rules because not everyone has access to IA books and can afford the models.

and the Myth that all IA units are OP and under priced when the opposite is true 90% of the time.

**PraetorDave**

At OP: I think you should have excluded the FW models, and only included the normal 3 variants.

I voted Crusader. IMHO templates are too short (something like 8"), so the flamestorm cannons are going to be rarely used. I think that a possible 12 TL shots at 12" is better. But the Flamestorm cannons are massively powerful, I will agree. Plus, the Crusader has a larger carrying capacity. And everyone could use more terminators

**reds8n**

Going to move this to 40K general, as this is a bit too general and vague for the tactics board as is.

**yournamehere**

Im a fan of the crusader, though I have not had a chance to look at the IA ones as I have no books.

**tedurur**

Rules for them can be found on FWs homepage.

@Grey Templar: even if only a few of the fw models are OP they are so OP that playing with them is pretty much impossible, that is why tourneys doesn't allow FW stuff not because they are more expensive

**Suicidal Cheez**

Achilles. Heavy armor isn't enough.