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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 06:51:26
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Courageous Questing Knight
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Okay:
1. My knight has heavy armour; that is a 5+ armour save.
that is combined with Barding and a shield, to give a 3+ save. [Space marheen much?]
I would've been under the impression a knight would have a rather better armour save?
2. Further, in lance formation, I can allow everyone along my flank to attack, as well as the middle man for his supporting attack.
so, in lance formation, I can fight with 12/15 models...
X = can O = Can't.
XXX
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XOX
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XOX
3. I can elect to use either my lance or HW&shield. on the charge.
4. using a lance, which isn't a two-handed weapon means I can still get my shield bonus
5. my warhorse isn't effected by barding.
6. my Royal pegasii are both Monsterous beasts, therefore acquireing the Stomp special rule, and are also Fast cavalry, due to the flyers rule.
7. I have to take a 74 point Paladin with a battle standard, who I can't kit out almost at all.
Are all of these correct?
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DR:90S+++G++MB+I+Pw40k096D++A+/areWD360R+++T(P)DM+
3000 pt space marine 72% painted!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 07:24:52
Subject: Re:seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Cosmic Joe
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1. Its Heacy armor (5+) + Shield (4+) + Mount (3+) + Barding for a total of 2+.
2. The lance follows its own rules that are specific and ovveride the regular rules β specific>general unless stated otherwise.
3. Unless you have a special rule that allows you to switch you must use the special weapon β the lance.
4. Yes but no parry.
5. Yes its in the "Purebreed Warorse" rule found in the brettonian army book (page 56).
6. Yup, that goes for pegasus knights too.
7. This is the burden of an older book, the BSB can:
a. Take a magic banner (no points limit), one virtue (up to 50 pts), and from the mundane options can only buy a warhorse or pegasus.
b. Not take a magic banner, one veirtue and magic gear up to his regular allowance of items, and from the mundane options can only buy a warhorse or pegasus.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/12/06 07:25:55
Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 09:48:33
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Courageous Questing Knight
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so I could buy a magical lance?
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DR:90S+++G++MB+I+Pw40k096D++A+/areWD360R+++T(P)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 09:53:17
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Cosmic Joe
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Yea but for BSB it's better to give him protective gear, seeing as those re-rolls can be important.
At least that's what most people say.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/12/06 10:00:50
Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 10:46:47
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Courageous Questing Knight
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I'm gonna give him a grail shield and a talisman of protection.
And another question, if I do that, do ward saves stack up like armour?
with that I'd end up with a 6+ and a 4+ ward save, thanks to blessing, do I get a 3+?
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DR:90S+++G++MB+I+Pw40k096D++A+/areWD360R+++T(P)DM+
3000 pt space marine 72% painted!
W/L/D 24/6/22
2500 pt Bretons 10% painted
W/L/D 1/0/0
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/337109.page lekkar diorama, aye? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 12:32:00
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ward saves do not stack, as a general rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 14:29:45
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Barpharanges
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For the most part, if you have multiple Ward Saves available to a unit/model, you only glean the benefits of the better save (and otherwise ignore the other).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 18:04:03
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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IIRC your BSB cannot take a magic shield. That is why I like the dragon helm. Also Bretonnians already have a ward save for high strength attacks (your 2+ save with helm) should protect you from low strength hits.
And now you can buy that magic lance! (although I am a sucker for the Banner of the Lady).
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WFB armies: Wood elves, Bretonnia, Daemons of Chaos (Tzeentch), Dwarfs & Orcs 'n Goblins
40K armies: Black Legion, Necrons, & Craftworld Iyanden |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/06 18:27:07
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Cosmic Joe
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Bastion of Mediocrity wrote:IIRC your BSB cannot take a magic shield.
Ahh yes i forgot that in ages long past banner bearers didn't have the appandages neccesary to wield a weapon a shgield and a standard, sadly for the brets those are the ages during which their book was written.
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 01:48:38
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Courageous Questing Knight
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Yeah... This entire segment would be redundant if not, bastion.
Banner of the lady is already in use
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DR:90S+++G++MB+I+Pw40k096D++A+/areWD360R+++T(P)DM+
3000 pt space marine 72% painted!
W/L/D 24/6/22
2500 pt Bretons 10% painted
W/L/D 1/0/0
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/337109.page lekkar diorama, aye? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 03:06:12
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Wait... is another unit toting a 100 point banner? Who has the option for that? (Grail Knights are 50 max, IIRC)
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Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 06:07:30
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Actually, a bret BSB can take the enchanted shield.
The BSB page in the bret book restricts him from choosing any mundane equipment, but he can still take magic items.
This include the Enchanted shield.
Two facts that I find hilarious with the new rules:
1: You don't need to be able to buy a shield to buy "magic" shields. This means that Ogres are the only ones that can buy the 5p Enchanted shield.
2: You don't need to be able to choose armour to begin with to choose magic armour, as long as you're not a wizard.
Effect? 15p Engineers can get a 2+ armour save.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 06:59:23
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Cosmic Joe
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Oscarius wrote:Actually, a bret BSB can take the enchanted shield.
The BSB page in the bret book restricts him from choosing any mundane equipment, but he can still take magic items.
This include the Enchanted shield.
Two facts that I find hilarious with the new rules:
1: You don't need to be able to buy a shield to buy "magic" shields. This means that Ogres are the only ones that can buy the 5p Enchanted shield.
2: You don't need to be able to choose armour to begin with to choose magic armour, as long as you're not a wizard.
Effect? 15p Engineers can get a 2+ armour save. 
This i can agree with.
All hail the rules quiting
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 14:02:14
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Fixture of Dakka
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How does that work for unit champs that can get magic items? I am thinking of Chosen Champs taking like a Dragon Helm for a 3+ save. Does it only count in challenges, or if I get enough wounds to have the entire unit take one he gets to roll a better save?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 14:53:56
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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You're only going to get to use the champ's enhanced save if a hit specifically targets him. So snipers, allocated attacks, or shooting attacks when there are less than 5 rank and file remaining in the unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 18:40:12
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Cool, thanks. With Chosen it might almost be worth it if you had 10 points left over after buying Lords/Heroes. With a decent EoTG roll you can get a pretty killy champ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 19:05:48
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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IMO it's a couple of more items that could be better. Some examples: Favour of the gods: A classic, and many see it as standard equipment for the champ. Ironcurse Icon: Once again, very cheap, and gives the unit a much needed save against warmachines, hilarity ensues if you add MoT. Other trickster's Shard: It's cheap, and good, makes character assassination much easier. Book of Secrets: Just because having a unit champ as a mage is great.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 19:26:35
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Fixture of Dakka
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*L* Yea, those are definitely better choices if you only have one unit of chosen.
Book of Secrets is a really funny idea too that I had never thought of. Shadow would be great to de-buff units in contact, especially since you use closed lists your opponent would never see it coming. *LOL* even better would be if you DO miscast while in CC and get that 1d6+1 roll that nearly guarantees (and does with a puppet on someone else) that you can get the "I explode everyone around me" results. With MoT and the 12 result from EotG you could just giggle while everyone else dies from Str 10 hits. Nothing prompts "Wait, WTF just happened?!" than your Champion suddenly casting with irresistible force and killing everyone around him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 19:57:13
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Cosmic Joe
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A true moment of chaos
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 20:00:40
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Correctly heaved orange smelly energetic nitroglycerine?
Chosen?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/07 21:27:44
Subject: seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Confusing Hemorrhage Originating Severe External Nastiness?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/12/07 21:27:53
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/08 05:52:59
Subject: Re:seeing if I understand this. rules in general, mainly on bretonns.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Rather than the Dragonhelm, I would suggest the Gromil Great Helm for +1 additional to the armor save and reroll failed armor saves. I think you will even have the points leftover for the Dragonbane Gem if the save vs. flaming attacks is important to you.
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CHAOS! PANIC! DISORDER!
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