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My friend and I were talking and this came up. The example we were thinking about was a Daemon Prince that joins a squad of raptors and I was certain that I have read somewhere that because it's an MC it can be picked out of the unit during the shooting phase however we couldn't find it in the rules. Are we blind? (rhetorical )

We also had the example of the Hive Tyrant that can "hide" when in a squad of Guard but although it's an MC it isn't an IC. Again, not certain if that makes a difference because normal IC's can be hidden in squads.

Very confused players over here :S

Apologies for, what I think is, a really simple issue

Kahor wrote:My friend and I were talking and this came up. The example we were thinking about was a Daemon Prince that joins a squad of raptors and I was certain that I have read somewhere that because it's an MC it can be picked out of the unit during the shooting phase however we couldn't find it in the rules. Are we blind? (rhetorical )

We also had the example of the Hive Tyrant that can "hide" when in a squad of Guard but although it's an MC it isn't an IC. Again, not certain if that makes a difference because normal IC's can be hidden in squads.

Very confused players over here :S

Apologies for, what I think is, a really simple issue

To the targetting of the Hive Tyrant, it's in the Tyranid FAQ i believe. Stating that it is not an independant character, and cannot be singled out amongst TYRANT(fixed this) guard, unless an ability (such as Telion or a Vindacare) allows...

Um, isn't it a rule that monsterous creatures can't join units for any reason? Last I checked, you couldn't-with the exception of some specific examples like a hive tyrant

timetowaste85 wrote:Um, isn't it a rule that monsterous creatures can't join units for any reason? Last I checked, you couldn't-with the exception of some specific examples like a hive tyrant

No, monstrous creatures cannot join units, however, the Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord can, but it can only be his Tyrant Guard

Definitely a moment... forget my example of the Daemon Prince as it doesn't have the IC rule (silly!). Kinda ruins my plans for that tactic haha.

I've also just had a flick through a couple of other codexs and can't find any MC that also has the IC rule thus far.

An MC that is also an IC and joins a unit can be picked out as a separate target unless it has joined a unit of MCs or the unit has other special rules. Have a look at the 2nd paragraph of "Shooting at Independent Characters" on page 49. So if your Daemon Prince was an IC and had joined raptors you're right in that he could be picked out.

HT cannot be picked out of the Tyrant Guard because he is NEVER an IC - he *joins* as one, but is not an IC when joined.

C'Tan are MC ICs, but have a special rule preventing them from joining units.

nosferatu1001 wrote:HT cannot be picked out of the Tyrant Guard because he is NEVER an IC - he *joins* as one, but is not an IC when joined.

C'Tan are MC ICs, but have a special rule preventing them from joining units.

This was probably due to the necron codex being 3rd edition, where IC's couldn't be shot at if there was another target within 6" of them. Good times . . .

Chrysis wrote:An MC that is also an IC and joins a unit can be picked out as a separate target unless it has joined a unit of MCs or the unit has other special rules. Have a look at the 2nd paragraph of "Shooting at Independent Characters" on page 49. So if your Daemon Prince was an IC and had joined raptors you're right in that he could be picked out.

Thank you! This was the bit I was looking for. For others interested it is pg49.p2 in rulebook