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So, there's close to none information on this.

How do they distinguish between 2nd and 3rd Company, for example?

I've read that they're somewhat disorganized/discarded some of their traditions, following Rynn's World Disaster (like they supposely lost the Emperor's Champion's armour). However, one would expect that they would've recovered eventually rather than just perpetually endure in near-extinction (the Blood Angels, according to Space Hulk, were put in a greater peril following the Sin of Damnation).

What are other people's/CF players thoughts?

they are a Codex Chapter with only the 1st company and some remnantes of others left.

the 2nd company(IIRC) led by Cotez is missing, but belived to still exist.


i don't know what the differeing colors on the Trim are, but i would suspect they use the same design as the Impierial Fists.

I posted a thread about squad markings in the Crimson Fists once and was told that their traditional heraldry didn't include it. I've yet to see Fists with different colored trim on their pauldrons to designate company.

I'm painting my Fists army in three basic schemes: normal marines in dark blue armor with the left fist red (both fists red for sergeants), First Company veterans have red trim on their pauldrons and red regalia (skulls, flames, bones, and the like), and Command/Honor Guards have gold trim, chest eagles, and regalia. That's just me though... I'm playing the Fists as a slowly recuperating force that's using older marks of armor and vehicles to get by.

The reason there really isn't much about their trim is because there arn't enough marines for different trims to be needed.

Crimson fists are lulzy

I think they just need time to restore themselves. In another thousand years, they could probably have a full chapter again.

Well, we're talking about after Rynn's World Disaster (RWD). What about before? The type of heraldry and insignia? I don't recall much from Insignium Astartes, but I think there wasn't much there either.

"the Crimson Fists showed a more rigid adherence to the Codex Astartes" (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Crimson_Fists) - which would suggest them having at least coloured trims for different companies.

For example, the IF use white helmets for their Veterans. Squad Markings are in (I'm guessing here) Latin numerals.

The different coloured chest pieces would work together with both red gloves.

(going to have a look at your stuff Gavin, I actually like your ideas).

Also, do Terminators have two red hands, or just the left? The TDA would be enough of a symbol for their status. But how is the Sargeant distinguished?

(I guess I'll have to take a look into RT stuff, I remember it having different info on helmet insignia for various ranks which could be interesting)

i would think veterans would have crimson helmets

Veterans have 2 crimson fists while normies have just the 1 iirc.

Yep, and Scouts have none.

Maybe I should go for the same no-colour scheme on the trim. Can't really picture CFs with green trims.

These things have changed a lot from RT and 2nd edition 'till today. Like the Blood Angels, who had black trim, and company number was displayed on the left shoulder pad - through colour and number of drops. Perhaps CF could be handled in such a way. Food for thought, and all that.

Well, unless you plan on doing the entire chapter or want to be very fluffy you won't really need differing trims.

i have nearly 2 full companies worth of marines, but i don't bother with differing trims. only the 1st company has a differing scheme, but everyone else gets the same uniform.

My Crimson Fist tactical squad have Silver, Gold and Bronze trims... but really, it's just for me to mix them up, rather than to represent actual companires.

I painted my Sternguard Veteran darker and gave them more bling to make them stand out...



They match with my Pedro Kantor, who is also darker:

And I wrote a tiny tid bit of fluff to explain it away:




Lead by Sergeant Huron Grimm, the Sternguard Veteran of Rynn’s Savior are survivors of the great slaughter on Rynn’s World. Given personal permission by Pedro Kantor himself, Rynn’s Saviors have darkened the hue of their armor to represent the grief and rage they felt at seeing their world raped by the greenskins and seeing so many brothers fall. The Crimson Fists never forget.

Tarkand wrote:My Crimson Fist tactical squad have Silver, Gold and Bronze trims... but really, it's just for me to mix them up, rather than to represent actual companires.

I painted my Sternguard Veteran darker and gave them more bling to make them stand out...

They match with my Pedro Kantor, who is also darker

Good looking stuff, though I would prefer the Sternguard scheme for all the army.

Grey Templar wrote:Well, unless you plan on doing the entire chapter or want to be very fluffy you won't really need differing trims.

i have nearly 2 full companies worth of marines, but i don't bother with differing trims. only the 1st company has a differing scheme, but everyone else gets the same uniform.

Oh, true... but you know, some people just obsess about getting all the details right.

About making an entire chapter... well, you never know where your collection gets you

I paint all my marines with 2 red fists, my reasoning fits the fluff... they are ALL vets now, only the scouts get nowt.

Not all of them are vets, I'd believe. The Scouts who survived Rynn's World might have become fully fledged Marines, and the ones who became Veterans are just that. They didn't automatically became vets following RW, and in any case, that scenario is represented in the rules conceded by including Kantor in the army.

Not trying to ryle you up, you're free to paint your army as you want.

Destrado wrote:Not all of them are vets, I'd believe. The Scouts who survived Rynn's World might have become fully fledged Marines, and the ones who became Veterans are just that. They didn't automatically became vets following RW, and in any case, that scenario is represented in the rules conceded by including Kantor in the army.

Not trying to ryle you up, you're free to paint your army as you want.

The point he was trying to make was that there was so much fighting that no one could not be a veteran by the end.

purplefood wrote:The point he was trying to make was that there was so much fighting that no one could not be a veteran by the end.

Thing is, we have no way of knowing that for sure, I doubt all the surviving Marines would be elevated to veterans for making it out of the War. There are other conditions to fulfill. Someone once said to me that Chaos Space Marines aren't better than their Loyal counterparts because even though some have had 10,000 years of fighting, not all are cut out to be true "veterans" (he said it wasn't like an RPG, where people continuosly level up). But I do understand his position.

Destrado wrote:

purplefood wrote:The point he was trying to make was that there was so much fighting that no one could not be a veteran by the end.

Thing is, we have no way of knowing that for sure, I doubt all the surviving Marines would be elevated to veterans for making it out of the War. There are other conditions to fulfill. Someone once said to me that Chaos Space Marines aren't better than their Loyal counterparts because even though some have had 10,000 years of fighting, not all are cut out to be true "veterans" (he said it wasn't like an RPG, where people continuosly level up). But I do understand his position.

He doesn't mean that everyone is now in the 1st company they have just experienced so much fighting that they are equal to those in the 1st because the survivors are either lucky or really good.

Or just hid behind those really good or lucky

Destrado wrote:Or just hid behind those really good or lucky

There simply weren't enough people for that.

Destrado,

Fists' scouts actually have both gloves painted red per codex. I read somewhere that a studio painter fudged a unit of Fists' scouts and they retconned it as a result.

If I can make a recommendation... if Crimson Fists had strict adherence to codex standards, you might want to use the heraldry/insignias from Rogue Trader. Squad, MOS, and rank designations were indicated on the helmet stripe and weapon training emblems were placed on the shoulder pauldron. If you're planning pre-RWD Crimson Fists, I think that would be the most appropriate.