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White Scars intrigue me, but I'm trying to compile a list for them to field against my friends.

I plan on using Khan, however, other than bikers, I'm not quite sure what the White Scars field, as the rather limited fluff only tells about modifications on Predators and Land Raiders. Anyone with knowledge of the White Scars' utilize in any fluff outside of C:SM would be helpful.

White Scars emphasize lightning strikes, hitting and gone before the enemy can respond.

As such, on the tabletop they would be represented one of two ways; either fully mechanized, or bikers with mechanized support. Nothing stays stationary while firing. Everything with a heavy weapon must be able to move at least 6" and still fire.

You accomplish that, and you've got White Scars pretty much down.

Funny enough, Khan's special rules suit him much better to running in a Land Raider with Terminators than they do with bikers, but that's a balancing problem. I, personally, would just take a Captain on a Bike with Relic Blade, Storm Shield, and Hellfire rounds. This unlocks bikes as troops.

Army list wise, I'd suggest something along the lines of 2 bike squads, 5 man tactical squads in Razorbacks, a biker command squad, and armored support in the form of Land Speeders, Attack Bike Squads, Predators, etc.

Use the RG fluff- they are basically RG on bikes.

shealyr wrote:White Scars emphasize lightning strikes, hitting and gone before the enemy can respond.

As such, on the tabletop they would be represented one of two ways; either fully mechanized, or bikers with mechanized support. Nothing stays stationary while firing. Everything with a heavy weapon must be able to move at least 6" and still fire.

You accomplish that, and you've got White Scars pretty much down.

Funny enough, Khan's special rules suit him much better to running in a Land Raider with Terminators than they do with bikers, but that's a balancing problem. I, personally, would just take a Captain on a Bike with Relic Blade, Storm Shield, and Hellfire rounds. This unlocks bikes as troops.

Army list wise, I'd suggest something along the lines of 2 bike squads, 5 man tactical squads in Razorbacks, a biker command squad, and armored support in the form of Land Speeders, Attack Bike Squads, Predators, etc.

Are hell-fire rounds applicable to the bolter integrated into the space marine bike? And, at that, would it worth be taking a Command Squad on bikes as well?

In addition, would mounting a Techmarine on a bike with a servo-harness be a good option? Or would it be too much of a point sink for (Two?) PF attacks and a few shooting weapons. And/or not very fluffy for the chapter.

To the above, what is RG?

They are SM ninjas. Shrike is the raven guard SC in C:SM.
I have a captain on bike w/ relic blade and SS. v.good. Command squads are good, especially when given meltaguns and power weapons/SS and power weapons

Hellfire rounds most definitely work on your Space Marine Bike t/l bolter, which is why they're such a great option. You can have your Relic Blade/SS, and still have a BS5, Twin Linking, Wounding on 2+, Relentless, Bolter.

The command squad works very well with the Captain, as you can give the Command Squad plasma guns, allowing them to mow down infantry (and still charge), or give them melta, which their speed allows them to use quite effectively. Plus, toughness 5 with Feel No Pain and the ability to take Storm Shields is simply golden.

As far as the techmarine goes, it might be nice to have in order to repair some vehicles (such as your Razorbacks), but the points could probably be better spend elsewhere on more fluffy options.

And as for the above poster, I believe RG = Raven Guard, which the White Scars are not. Raven Guard use stealth, while White Scars use sheer speed and hit/run tactics.

shrike wrote:They are SM ninjas. Shrike is the raven guard SC in C:SM.
I have a captain on bike w/ relic blade and SS. v.good. Command squads are good, especially when given meltaguns and power weapons/SS and power weapons

AHH! Raven Guard. I kept coming up with different abbreviations in my head, but none fit! I know who the Raven Guard are, at least to an extent of the codex and what is posted in the "Space Marine Stealth" thread.

I was just wondering how the Command squad performs when mounted on SM Bikes, as I've never actually fielded them...

Neither have I. I am getting enough bitz to make them from santa.

shrike wrote:Neither have I. I am getting enough bitz to make them from santa.

That's why I love Proxing when I'm with friends... Test the viablity of models. If they are fun or effective, or, if you're lucky, BOTH!!! Then field them!

Command Squads already have FnP, and should be good, I'm just not sure if they would actually be fielded with a White Scars force...


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shealyr wrote:Hellfire rounds most definitely work on your Space Marine Bike t/l bolter, which is why they're such a great option. You can have your Relic Blade/SS, and still have a BS5, Twin Linking, Wounding on 2+, Relentless, Bolter.

The command squad works very well with the Captain, as you can give the Command Squad plasma guns, allowing them to mow down infantry (and still charge), or give them melta, which their speed allows them to use quite effectively. Plus, toughness 5 with Feel No Pain and the ability to take Storm Shields is simply golden.

As far as the techmarine goes, it might be nice to have in order to repair some vehicles (such as your Razorbacks), but the points could probably be better spend elsewhere on more fluffy options.

And as for the above poster, I believe RG = Raven Guard, which the White Scars are not. Raven Guard use stealth, while White Scars use sheer speed and hit/run tactics.

Thank you, and T5 is one of my favorite things about bikers, that and their speed. Bikers give Lascannons headaches, especially since the Space Marine commander being T5 makes it very difficult if he happens to be in a squad.

Bikers also receive a 3+ Cover Save if they turbo boost correct?

They actually get a 3+ invulnerable save! Which means a Land Raider Redeemer still won't ignore your save, and you'd get FNP.

As for the T5, remember, it's T4(5), which is the same thing as T5, but the Captain can still suffer instant death from a strength 8 or 9 weapon.

However, something like 4 Plasma Guns, a Power Fist, and 2 Storm Shields makes this unit scary.

A Rhino or Razorback based army represents White Scars well too.

shealyr wrote:They actually get a 3+ invulnerable save! Which means a Land Raider Redeemer still won't ignore your save, and you'd get FNP.

As for the T5, remember, it's T4(5), which is the same thing as T5, but the Captain can still suffer instant death from a strength 8 or 9 weapon.

However, something like 4 Plasma Guns, a Power Fist, and 2 Storm Shields makes this unit scary.

Albeit a little pricey. Why doesn't the Captain gain +1 to Toughness?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:A Rhino or Razorback based army represents White Scars well too.

Thank you, looks like I know how I'm going to paint my Razorbacks now! Two or Three should be enough right? I couldn't really imagine more than that in the force... Bar Razorspam- 6+ Razorbacks MWAHAHAHAHA! Though I'd never bother to use it...

The Captain would gain +1 toughness on a bike, but the extra toughness from a bike is never counted when determining instant death from a double-strength weapon.

A strength 4 bolter needs a to roll a 5 to wound Captain on a bike. A strength 8 Power Fist will ID him.

If you didnt use kahn you could use the blood angels codex and get extra fast tanks

samius wrote:If you didnt use kahn you could use the blood angels codex and get extra fast tanks

Albeit I personally do not own a BA codex, and don't intend to... I'm holding out for GK/Inq., as right now they are pretty much shelved.

i was just suggesting it because i thought it would fit the fluff...i.e. fast transport across the board

If you want you want super accurateness all units should Cycle-mounted or Rhino/Razorback transported. White Scars are basically heavy mechanized infantry/Heavy Cavalry.

p.s. They're Mongols!

samius wrote:i was just suggesting it because i thought it would fit the fluff...i.e. fast transport across the board

I understand where you we're coming form, I did not want to come off as rude...

KamikazeCanuck wrote:If you want you want super accurateness all units should Cycle-mounted or Rhino/Razorback transported. White Scars are basically heavy mechanized infantry/Heavy Cavalry.

p.s. They're Mongols!

I know their Mongols! Khan kinda gave it away a little bit, that and their fast attacks, except, instead of horse-archers, they get Bikes with .75 caliber rounds...

So, Something along the lines of:

Space Marine Captain
Space Marine Bike
Hellfire-rounds
Storm Shield
Relic blade

1-3 Squads of Bikers
And/OR
1-2 Tactical Squads w/Rhinos

1-3 Attack bikers
OR
1-3 Land speeders

Land Raider
OR
2 Predators

looks pretty White Scar to me. Go Space Mongols!

KamikazeCanuck wrote:looks pretty White Scar to me. Go Space Mongols!

For the Khan and the Emperor!

Well, I guess i'm going to need some more paints!
And some more bikes...

I don't see too many White Scars armies.

Cuz painting White sucks. Good Luck.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Cuz painting White sucks. Good Luck.

How so? I mean it will wind up difficult, but as far as paint to buy goes, I'm stumped. I plan on using irregular bitz chopped up from the sprues (I.E. The thing that holds the actual bitz) as chunks of dirt and mud.

the reason white is hard to paint is that it's tough to get an even looking coat.

if you base with Black it's even worse, and 95% of people base with black primer because it gives very nice shading.

if you are going to paint them white you should buy White primer and then paint areas you want Black, or dark colors, in black over the white.


when it's done well, White looks great.


For modeling you can get the White Scar bike bits pack from GW. it has alternate arms and heads. little mongol lances and long mustaches

Ok... And the White scars bikers are cheaper too!

Any idea why that is?

the same reason Venerable dreds are cheaper then normal ones.

Lack of purchase?

There isn't a reason to how GW prices their products.

Ah. Thank you everyone for your input!

I have a White Scars army and painting them isn't hard once you get used to it. You don't have to use a white primer to get an even coat of white. You can use a black primer followed with a coat of codex grey and then a coat of white, but if you want a quick and easy way you can do the white primer.

Also if you want some mongol looking heads that are plastic look into the WHFB Chaos Marauder Horsemen. Myself and others have made cc scouts from the SW scouts and made them look like hunters, I run mine in Land Speeder Storms. And the Command Squad is a good idea for a captain on a bike, it's also fun to make conversions to represent the differant Command Squad roles. My Champion has a sword from a WHFB ogre, a lion headed shield from the old Empire State Troop sprue and a head from the Chaos Marauder Horsemen.

Also something fluffy would be a Stormseer which is just a Librarian for the White Scars chapter.