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I was thinking about this for my newly-coming DKoK- If a general-commissar joins an engineer squad before deployment, can he turn up after the drill has surfaced?
It says in the codex, QFT- "Any engineer squads attached to the drill will automatically arrive the turn after it emerges, and may be moved on the table from the point from which the drill emerged..."
Allowed?


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... ...anyone?

I would say no, from a strict RAW point of view - you are allowed to attach engineer squads to the drill, not engineer squads with attached ICs.

However, I'd probably allow it.

well- a IC can join the engineers, and the engineers can be attached to the drill. So allowed?
my entire DKoK army revolves around the answer to this question.
If yes- I will get 2 engineer squads, a hades drill, a commissar, and then maybe another 1 or 2 engineer squads after.
If no- I will get 1 engineer squad, a hades drill, a CCS, 2 grenadier squads and 2 centaurs.

I'd search for the discussions about attaching stuff to snikrot's squad - it's pretty much the same argument.

The RAW is vague, if we take the hardest possible interpretation then the answer is no. On the other hand, I look at it from a practical stand-point and it makes sense.

Hmm. I shall ask the fellas at my FLGS. The manager here is nice, but a tad too job-oriented. It's all work-work-work, like while in the middle of a friendly chat, spots some noobs coming in, cuts the chat and starts an intro game with them, without so much as an "excuse me". My old manager was better, so I might give him a call. And my current FLGS manager is kinda strict. If you've read my chief libby rules, he cut it all down to exactl the same as a regular libby, but 50 more points and can use 2 powers a turn. Cut all the wargear options, special rules, extra powers, ect. He ended up with less powers and options as a normal libby! Next time I go to get something stamped, i'm going to MK. [/rant]

He didn't cut down your master librarian to anything...He just made it an Epistolary. Read your codex. An Epistolary is 50 points more than a regular librarian and can use 2 powers per turn. He doesn't have less than than a regular librarian, he has exactly one more thing.

which makes it a completely useless unit. It's already in the codex. He is the one person I've met who has a problem with the rules. We're straying omewhat here, so moving it back on topic...


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okay guys- I have rang my FLGS manager, and he says (drum roll please):

If the general-commissar is an IC (he is) and the engineers are a seperate unit to the drill (they are) then...maybe.

Yes, you can. As the follow up attack isn't deep striking, the IC attached to the squad can still arrive with the squad, you simply count as moving on the table (although you don't count as moving for purposes of shooting heavy weapons).

All you've done is dig a big hole to walk onto the table from instead of walking on from the table edge.

cool! if in apoc. games, I include in the squad...
shrike
Areth Caan (SC chapter master)
Korvydae
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
chaplain
chaplain
libby
chief libby
libby
lysander
GKGM
inquisitor
yarrick...ouch.
nah, i'll just put yarrick in there. The rest can DS/infiltrate/turbo boost.

shrike wrote:cool! if in apoc. games, I include in the squad...
shrike
Areth Caan (SC chapter master)
Korvydae
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
captain
chaplain
chaplain
libby
chief libby
libby
lysander
GKGM
inquisitor
yarrick...ouch.
nah, i'll just put yarrick in there. The rest can DS/infiltrate/turbo boost.

Uhh.. no. you can't put them in there even in apocalypse since they're not actually in the siege regiment list, they'll be part of a separate detachment. The rules on several armies benefiting from different rules are quite clear, just because having sicarus in an apocalypse game doesn't make all your guardsmen LD10! You can't attach independent characters from different armies into the siege regiment engineers. Not even Yarrick, since he is Codex: Imperial Guard not Siege Regiment. And don't think about allies for GK either, that's only for C:SM or C:IG not Siege Regiment.

Quite so. Just because there isn't a force org that doesn't mean it's open season!