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I know this question must have been asked and answered but can't find it.

If there is a weapon destroyed on a razorback: las cannon and twin linked plasma guns. which weapon is destroyed?

Thanks in advance, RB

The one of your opponents choice, as per the normal rules.

I thought the weapon was twin linked as its on the same turret, and must fire at same target?

RB

it does have to be fired at the same target

1) It is not a single weapon system. Two different weapons. BRB FAQ from memory states this.
2) It is ONE unit therefore it must fire at ONE target, same as every other unit in the game - barring a special rule.

nosferatu1001 wrote: 1) It is not a single weapon system. Two different weapons. BRB FAQ from memory states this.

It was actually from the Space Marine FAQ:

Space Marine FAQ - Nov. 2009 wrote:Q. If a Razorback armed with a lascannon and
twin-linked plasma gun suffers a weapon
destroyed result, does it destroy both (ie. the
lascannon and the plasma gun) or just one?
A. Only one weapon – either the lascannon or the
twin-linked plasma gun.

nosferatu1001 wrote:2) It is ONE unit therefore it must fire at ONE target, same as every other unit in the game - barring a special rule.

100% correct.

Bah, can never remember which FAQ it was in....

RB wrote:I thought the weapon was twin linked as its on the same turret, and must fire at same target?
RB

Just to be clear - however many weapons a vehicle has, they must all be fired at the same target. (barring special rules like PotMS)

RB wrote:I thought the weapon was twin linked as its on the same turret, and must fire at same target?

RB

The plasma gun is twin-linked, the lascannon is not.

everyone seems to be missing the point. If you have TL HB turret on a razorback and you get weapon destroyed. You lose the turret. Why do you not lose the turret when it's a las cannon and twin plasma guns. It just doesn't make sense. And yes the answer is GW says so, but a turret is a turret.

RB

No a weapon is a weapon.

You lose a weapon on a Lascannon /Twin-linked plasma turret and you only lose one of the weapons.

The rule is weapon destroyed not turret destroyed.

The only reason that dreadnoughts lose the built-in SB or HF when they lose the DCCW, is that it is, rules wise, built in to the arm; and the whole arm is lost.

RB wrote:. If you have TL HB turret on a razorback and you get weapon destroyed. You lose the turret.

A Weapon Destroyed result removes the weapon, not the turret. While it's common practice to just remove the turret at that point, as it's the easiest way to mark the damage, it's not actually required.

Exactly.

Kommissar Kel wrote:No a weapon is a weapon.

You lose a weapon on a Lascannon /Twin-linked plasma turret and you only lose one of the weapons.

The rule is weapon destroyed not turret destroyed.

I understand what RB is saying: if you have a twin-linked heavy bolter on the razorback, the weapon system is destroyed, i.e. you're not left with a single heavy bolter (and thus now unable to reroll misses). Why is it not the case with lascannon/plasma gun combo? Is the TL HB two weapons or one weapon? The LC/PG is obviously two weapons (according to the FAQ).

Would it be more accurate for GW to describe it as a coaxial weapon as they do in the Apoc rulebook? Rather than twin-linked.

Ulver wrote:I understand what RB is saying: if you have a twin-linked heavy bolter on the razorback, the weapon system is destroyed, i.e. you're not left with a single heavy bolter (and thus now unable to reroll misses). Why is it not the case with lascannon/pg combo?

Because the Lascannon and twin-linked plasma guns are not a single weapons system.

insaniak wrote:

Ulver wrote:I understand what RB is saying: if you have a twin-linked heavy bolter on the razorback, the weapon system is destroyed, i.e. you're not left with a single heavy bolter (and thus now unable to reroll misses). Why is it not the case with lascannon/pg combo?

Because the Lascannon and twin-linked plasma guns are not a single weapons system.

Thank you, makes sense. Slight tangential question then, out of interest: is LC/PG a better value combo given the more 'weapon destroyed' results that the vehicle can then take? (I'm not an SM player, so have no idea of points etc.)

That's more of a tactics question, which would be better in its own thread over on the tactics board.

Additionally the TL HB *IS* a single weapon system - it is NOT two weapons fired together, as that doesnt let you reroll misses - its just 2 weapons.

TL /= two weapons "firing" as far as this game is concerned.

Ulver wrote:Would it be more accurate for GW to describe it as a coaxial weapon as they do in the Apoc rulebook? Rather than twin-linked.

Ehh... perhaps, but then there would be an extra rule in regular WH40K. While people often remove the turret to signify a weapon destroyed result that's not a rule, only player convenience. It's not like tanks lose pintle-mounted weapons with the main turret they're mounted on either - the rules actually have to state you lose two for one as DCCWs do.

RB wrote:everyone seems to be missing the point. If you have TL HB turret on a razorback and you get weapon destroyed. You lose the turret. Why do you not lose the turret when it's a las cannon and twin plasma guns. It just doesn't make sense. And yes the answer is GW says so, but a turret is a turret.

RB

You're right a turret is a turret, but a WD removes a weapon not a turret.