Is Garviel Loken dead?

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**fahujaskillz**

i say yes he is. i mean cmon, every bone in the mans body is crushed, hes bleeding from everywhere, and on top of all that an orbital bombardment is raining down on top of his friggin head. i say even the super bad

Loken didnt make it out of that one, what are your toughts Dakka?

**Valkyrie**

Possibly, remember he is in a fortress, which would protect from an orbital bombardment ok if he's deep enough, and the Astartes resilience could do the rest.

**undivided**

Even so, he couldn't have lasted long afterwards. After all, there was an Exterminatus beforehand. Meaning not much food due to lack of any for of life. He could've been trapped under rubble too.

**kizzdougs**

I can't help but think you might just get your answer in a future HH book, most likely staring Garro on his mission for the Sigilite.

**ph34r**

undivided wrote:Even so, he couldn't have lasted long afterwards. After all, there was an Exterminatus beforehand. Meaning not much food due to lack of any for of life. He could've been trapped under rubble too.

That's when the hibernation implant would kick in.

**Valkyrie**

Good point, forgot about the Sus-An Membrane

**1hadhq**

+1 for Loken as possible future team member of Garros soon to be formed squad.

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

kizzdougs wrote:I can't help but think you might just get your answer in a future HH book, most likely staring Garro on his mission for the Sigilite.

Hmmmmmmmm... you have an interesting point.
Personally, I like to think Loken isn't out of the game just yet, but we'll have to wait and see.

**vodo40k**

Nobody knows...... (*spooky voice*)

**DEUS VULT**

vodo40k wrote:Nobody knows...... (*spooky voice*)

GW knows....but they aint telling. Mark Wells gets so angry....so so angry.

**samius**

I think he isn't because they wouldn't have made such a mysterious ending for him if he was just dead, they tend to make ends more gruesome

**jonolikespie**

Dan Abnett knows. he has said that 'rumors of his death have been greatly exaggerated' in a youtube clip i saw a while ago, would find you the link but its midday here and i still haven't slept.

**StarShade**

Lokens not dead, he is blatantly gonna be part Of Garro's dirty dozen/ A-team group. I just wish Skrall had survived Battle for the Abyss, he would have made a good addittion, and whats happened to Iacton Qruze?

**Conservationist**

I think Loken will probably live (still alive). Finding him would definitely make a good story, i hope the ancient Rylanor would also be alive.

**Grey Templar**

Wasn't that the dreadnought that blew his reacter when horus bombed the planet?

he definitly would be dead.

besides, his sarchophigios was breached.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

thought Rylanor was the one that was last seen walking away?

**The Unforgiven Saint**

While Loken will IMO more likely than not show up in a later HH novel I would like to think that he died on Istavaan.

Not that I didn't like the character mind you, but rather I saw his as the representation of the idealism of the uncorrupted Luna Wolves and the dream of a united mankind.

His death would be symbolic in that it is the death of innocence and helps to usher in (in my mind anyways) the future of uneding war and strife.

It cheapens his sacrafice and character if they bring him back. I say let the man rest in peace and don't cheapen a piece of decent writing with a "He wasn't actually dead!" bit.

/rant

**Lord Chiasson**

I have to agree with unforgiven saint, tho I would really like him to still be alive it would kill his whole dieing for those ideals that made us root for him and all the other loyalist(if your an IoM person of course

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**kizzdougs**

Rylanor was last seen descending into a secret chamber (a hanger i think). The dread' that self detonated was a death guard dread' who was caught out in the virus bombing. He had suffered what would usually have been considered an insignificant wound but it ment that he was unable to properly seal his armour against the virus.

**ChaosGalvatron**

From a story point of view I would rather he was dead. But they have left it open for him to be alive.
When the HH series ends and i go back and reread them all its going to spoil that book a bit if he turns up alive later on. That final stand was my favourite bit of the series so far (and probably my favourite bit in a 40k novel)

**rabidaskal**

Now this thread got me thinking about who from the HH series so far would make it to Garro's super elite strike team. It'd be better than creating a bunch of new characters from scratch imo.

So far we got:

Spoiler:

**kizzdougs**

So if Garro is after one MARINE from each legion...

The only two i can think of are the two major captains lost on Istvaan. I expect that the others will be specifically created for the story just like Garro's first target.

I find it interesting that Garro and other possible inclussions are not psykers but then again they are to be the head and not the body of the sigilite's new force.

**Hialmar**

I think he is dead and behind enemy lines so to speak, so chances of him returning should be minimal. That having been said, there is dead and there is mostly dead, and he may just be the later, if the folks at Black Library need him to return I expect a miraculous recovery and a suitably ridiculous public outcry by "outraged" fanboys.

He was a great character and he "died" in a relatively heroic fashion so they should leave him dead, but I do not think they will.

**jonolikespie**

While I agree that him being alive kinda cheapens the sacrifice at Istvaan, I see that as more Saul's thing, he's the one that stood up and took command of the loyalist forces despite his superiors saying he could never be more than a line officer. Toragadon (yea idk how to spell it) was basically executed by a close friend, showing just how far gone the traitors were and if they bring back Loken he'll probably be pissed at the traitors and out for revenge.

**necrongod**

I SAY, hes dead as a

ing doornail.

**cadbren**

He should be dead, it's stretching credibility too much for him to be alive, what's the point of exterminatus if something can survive?

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If that's the case then all those planets wiped out to get rid of nid infestations are probably still infested with nids, just the nids have nothing to eat and are waiting for a meal to land.

**purplefood**

cadbren wrote:He should be dead, it's stretching credibility too much for him to be alive, what's the point of exterminatus if something can survive?

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If that's the case then all those planets wiped out to get rid of nid infestations are probably still infested with nids, just the nids have nothing to eat and are waiting for a meal to land.

Funny you should mntion that but there have been cases of 'nids survivng extermnatus.