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hey guys i have a semi-competitive tourney coming up. Not that its just friendly but its not a full tourney scene.

anyways heres my list i want a good review by people who actually know what there talking about

HQ - lash sorc, personal icon(ride with berserker)
HQ - lash sorc, personal icon(ride with berserker)

elite - 5x chosen, 2x flamers, 2x melta guns, champ, rhino dozer blade(outflank)
elite - 5x chosen, 2x flamers, 2x melta guns, champ, rhino dozer blade(outflank)
elite - 5x chosen, 2x flamers, 2x melta guns, champ, rhino dozer blade(outflank)

troops - 10x CSM, 1 plasma gun, 1 lascannon, IoCG, power fist sergeant.
troops - 10x CSM, 1 plasma gun, 1 lascannon, IoCG, power fist sergeant.
troops - 8x bezerkers, power weapon sarge, rhino xtra armor, dozer blade.
troops - 8x bezerkers, power weapon sarge, rhino xtra armor, dozer blade.

heavy - oblits x2
heavy - oblits x2
heavy - possed vindicator.

lesser daemons x8
lesser daemons x8
greater daemon

totals 2498

unfortunately high 20 KP's

C&C wanted and needed

HQ - lash sorc, personal icon(ride with berserker)
HQ - lash sorc, personal icon(ride with berserker)

In 2500, I would take Lash Prince's as opposed to Lash Sorc's. It's just a much more durable platform. It's a few extra points, but you get what you pay for. However, if you're dead set on the Sorc's, the I would definitely suggest NOT attaching them to the Zerker squads. I'd attach them to your vanilla CSM.

elite - 5x chosen, 2x flamers, 2x melta guns, champ, rhino dozer blade(outflank)
elite - 5x chosen, 2x flamers, 2x melta guns, champ, rhino dozer blade(outflank)
elite - 5x chosen, 2x flamers, 2x melta guns, champ, rhino dozer blade(outflank)

Pretty solid, I love my Chosen, they've always performed well for me. I don't know that I'd bother w/ the Champ tho, I know you're doing it for the GD, but I'll get to that later. I might just make one a full 5 man melta-squad; no champ, just 5 melta's and IoCG. I would probably dump the dozer blades on all of them too. In the other two, I would dump the champ & give the squad another special weapon - maybe one squad get's a 3rd flamer, the other a 3rd melta.

troops - 10x CSM, 1 plasma gun, 1 lascannon, IoCG, power fist sergeant.
troops - 10x CSM, 1 plasma gun, 1 lascannon, IoCG, power fist sergeant.
troops - 8x bezerkers, power weapon sarge, rhino xtra armor, dozer blade.
troops - 8x bezerkers, power weapon sarge, rhino xtra armor, dozer blade.

Pretty solid here too, only thing I'd say is maybe dump the las & go w/ missile launchers on the CSM. Just more flexible, and you have heavy tank hunting already covered pretty well. I also like power fists on my Skull Champ; it's essentially an assault 4 lascannon on the charge. You'd probably be surprised @ how many times I've used my Zerker's as vehicle killers, lol.

heavy - oblits x2
heavy - oblits x2
heavy - possed vindicator.

Pretty solid, not really much to say.

lesser daemons x8
lesser daemons x8
greater daemon

LD's are pretty nice, an inexpensive scoring unit that can be pretty nasty in combat. I don't ever take them personally; I prefer my pts spent elsewhere, but I've seen people use them to great effect. The GD however, I would definitely drop. After you take into account the model it possessed, (your cheapest seems to be 33pts) it's more expensive then a base DP and isn't really much better. You get +1 T, +1 WS & +1 A & a base 4+ invuln. The toughness is nice, but you can still be insta-killed. +1 WS doesn't really help much tbh, the things that needed 5's to hit the DP will still need 5's to hit the GD & those that needed 4's, will still need 4's. +1 A is always nice, however. But not being able to give them marks is their worst drawback. I'd take a DP w/ the MoT & Warptime over a GD any day of the week (or w/ any mark for that matter).

~Vryce

Lash Sorceror and Berzerkers are interesting, lash enemy models closer to you so you can assault..

Chosen are messed up - got a mix of anti tank weapons and anti troop, each time a pair of weapons won't be very affective or not affective at all depending on what you're shooting at.

Plasma gun and lascannon along with a fist is fail. Plasma gun has 24" 12" range lascannon sits back and hangs, you cannot move and shoot and why a power fist when no one is going to assault you or you do the assaulting? Always double specials in CSM squads. I also don't know why you've invested so many points into Champions when the G.D will pop one of them.

Sorc's cant ride with CSM because rhinos only carry 10. If you make room for them, you lose a special.

I like the chosen set up, as they don't have to roam together to do either job. If you lose a guy from a squad, you can choose which type of weapon to lose. Facing infantry in cover on that side of the board? lose a melta. Facing a parking lot in the backfield? lose a flamer.

There's 8 Berzerkers...Sorcerer goes in there..

well personally i prefer my chosen builds because 3 different wound allocation areas lets me play with what will be more useful. and the dual weapons allows me to be effective against infantry or vehicles inside my rhino.

So any more suggestions then upgrade to demon princes?

BTW dozer blades are there to keep the list really mobile.