Why don't some renegade Eldar breed with humans?

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**Henners91**

Sure, it's disgusting to mate with a mon-keigh... but hey, surely that's a great way to alleviate population problems? Mate with human women!

It'd be pretty cool if a BL book had this as a subplot... a world being manipulated/brainwashed by an errant group of Eldar that'd resolved that creating hybrids is the only way to vaguely ressurect an Eldar empire.

Well, that or cloning...

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Oh my wrong section, mod move please... I have no idea how I managed this one.

**Cryonicleech**

Old fluff (And, I do mean OLD fluff) has some Eldar half-breeds, but the Eldar are too arrogant and Humanity too superstitious for them to ever consider the idea.

Hell, it'd make a great subplot if say an Inquisitor or something had a hint of sissy-space-elf blood and had to constantly protect this dark, terrible secret.

**Iratus Custodis**

Hmmm...think I read about this somewhere on this forum some time ago...if I recall correctly the genetical "setup" of the Eldar don't match and mix with human thus preventing any cross-breeding. A use of the search engine should find that thread if you'd like to read it all.

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Also...why is this in Painting & Modeling?

**Brother SRM**

Slash fiction here we come!

**pratell**

why don't renegade humans breed with dogs? because their genetic makeup is too different. what makes you think that humans would be more compatible with an alien race that may or may not even have DNA?

**Ailaros**

Doesn't mean some of us haven't tried.

But seriously, eldar gestation is wierd. Humans are no more compatable with eldar as they are with palm trees.

**A Black Ram**

http://www.coolminiornot.com/266249

The other way around actually. A stunning piece if yet dark by a talented artist.

Only problem is it's the other way around.

NSFW

**Grey Templar**

i don't think the ability for mating to occure is ever in doubt. Eldar and Humans are clearly close enough on the outside.

it won't ever result in offspring though as Eldar actually have 4 more Chromosomes then humans.

Eldar require multiple couplings to produce a child as each coupling only adds part of the required Genetic matierial.

this does allow for an Eldar to have multiple Genetic fathers.

That diarama was masterfully done. of course when the Commissar comes along those guys are all dead.

**DEUS VULT**

Because that would be a horrible idea:

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Oh, and HOLY MOTHER OF DISCO JESUS THAT IS THE BEST DIORAMA IVE EVER SEEN

**Manchu**

Q: Why don't Eldar breed with humans?

A: Lofn

**Emperors Faithful**

Grey Templar wrote:That diarama was masterfully done. of course when the Commissar comes along those guys are all dead.

Commissar: What, by the Emperor's left testicle, do you think you're doing, men?!?

Cadians: Disciplining the xenos, sir.

Commissar: ...right. Well, er...carry on.

Very well made, I must say.

**cadbren**

A Black Ram wrote:http://www.coolminiornot.com/266249

The other way around actually. A stunning piece if yet dark by a talented artist.

Only problem is it's the other way around.

NSFW

That's brilliant, thanks for the link. That has to be one of the best compositions I've ever seen using reasonably standard figures and the characterisations are excellent. Well worth a look to see the facial expressions and the body language of this exposition.

**da001**

pratell wrote:why don't renegade humans breed with dogs? because their genetic makeup is too different. what makes you think that humans would be more compatible with an alien race that may or may not even have DNA?

Wow, that was the reason: genetic makeup. Thank you, we renegade humans have been trying for years to no avail. We are not good at genetics, but I will get some makeup right now.
Bwahahaha! Our dog-soldiers will easily destroy your cities.

In old fluff, everything could get mixed. Magic/warp, genetics, whatever. I guess in new fluff you can do it too. Write some homebrew stuff.

And genetically speaking, eldars and humans are more or less the same. It looks like they are creation of the same lab, so to say. Read Xenology, quite a good reading.

Amazing diorama, A Black Ram. Thank you very much for this nice present.
CoolMiniOrNot rules.

**reds8n**

da001 wrote:
And genetically speaking, eldars and humans are more or less the same. It looks like they are creation of the same lab, so to say. Read Xenology, quite a good reading.

Xenology is in fact quite explicit in regards to the non compatibility of humans and Eldar.

**Emperors Faithful**

reds8n wrote:
da001 wrote:
And genetically speaking, eldars and humans are more or less the same. It looks like they are creation of the same lab, so to say. Read Xenology, quite a good reading.

Xenology is in fact quite explicit in regards to the non compatibility of humans and Eldar.

What I didn't fully understand was whether this was on a basic consumation level or on a genetic, child-bearing level. Though to be fair I haven't given the issue much thought.

**Rube**

Keep in mind Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are worlds where half truths, lies, propaganda, politics, legends and myths exist. The absolute truth which is implied when you talk about "canonical background" will never be known because of this. Everything we know about these worlds is from the viewpoints of people in them which are as a result incomplete and even sometimes incorrect. The truth is mutable, debatable and lost as the victors write the history...

Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. If it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumor that may or may not have any truth behind it.

Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumors, distorted legends and half-truths.

I think the real problem is that the topic as a "big question" doesn't matter. It's all as true as everything else, and all just as false/half-remembered/sort-of-true. The answer you are seeking is "Yes and no" or perhaps "Sometimes". And that's the end of it.

Now, ask us some specifics, eg can Black Templars spit acid and we can answer that one, and many others. But again note the answer may well be "sometimes" or "it varies" or "depends".

But is it all true? Yes and no. Even though some of it is plainly contradictory? Yes and no. Do we deliberately contradict, retell with differences? Yes we do. Is the newer the stuff the truer it is? Yes and no. In some cases is it true that the older stuff is the truest? Yes and no. Maybe and sometimes. Depends and it varies.

It's a decaying universe without GPS and galaxy-wide communication, where precious facts are clung to long after they have been changed out of all recognition. Read A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M Miller, about monks toiling to hold onto facts in the aftermath of a nuclear war; that nails it.

That is GW's policy on canon. So Nastase the Eldar hybrid is canon. It is possible for Humans and Eldar to conceive (maybe perhaps depending).

Why don't they recreate the Eldar empire with hybrids? Because it wouldn't be the Eldar empire. That's like asking "why don't they recreate the Eldar empire only with gophers instead of Eldar?"

Also maybe they're like mules, and the hybrids are sterile? I dunno. Canonically only half-Eldar exist, not... quarter-Eldar.

As for the diorama - I find it funny that 4chan found that tasteless but the forumites love it. /tg/ really is more mature...

**da001**

reds8n wrote:
da001 wrote:
And genetically speaking, eldars and humans are more or less the same. It looks like they are creation of the same lab, so to say. Read Xenology, quite a good reading.

Xenology is in fact quite explicit in regards to the non compatibility of humans and Eldar.

Where? (no I am not doubting, just asking the page; it has been a while since I read it).
Page 26 "Subject´s external and structural anatomy is shockingly human-analogous"..."all findings are ultimately speculative"..."why should a creature of such obvious superiority and distinction reflect our structural pattern so closely? [see also: Tau, Hurd, Ork]"

He who is writing is a (clearly heretical: just look at the "such obvious" bit) Magus Biologis. If it´s he who is explicit in regards of the non compability, even with warp/magic, high techlogoy/genetics involment, I will not accept it as a final answer. And you shouldn´t too, unless you want to become food for my dog-warriors near to come to life.

Off topic: I want a Codex: Hurd. Q´Orl, Thyrrus and Umbra would be great too.

**reds8n**

Their DNA is much denser than "ours", and thus is completely incompatible. IIRc it has a triple helix.

And they also procreate in a slightly different manner.

The male, so to speak, has to "top up" the female regularly during the gestation period.

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why should a creature of such obvious superiority and distinction reflect our structural pattern so closely "

is the key question, and answered in the book as well. It's really quite clear if you read it again. And it's not so they can/could breed.

This topic comes up every few months.. alas.... do a search and all will be revealed.

As to the "with magic argument" : the obvious counter to this is that magic could equally make it impossible as well.