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My friends and I are relatively new to 40k, and unfortunatly we do not know a seasoned players to help us with some things that we cant seem to interpret from the rule book.

My friend and I were playing a 750 game myself as Tau, and him as Tyranids.

His unit of Genestealers assaulted my Pathfinder/Devilfish unit.

Our question was, Does the devilfish count as the unit during the Assault. Or is it assaulted seprately. Also if when the assault of the whole unit would trigger the Fletchettes of the devilfish.

We ended up going with him assaulting my pathfinders 1st and seprately from the devilfish and the fletchettes being triggered when he then assaulted my devilfish.

We would appriciate some guidance on this.

Also throughout my Tau Codex we are finding references to a Target Priority Check, however we can't seem to find anything referencing this in our Rulebooks. From what we read in my Codex if you fail a Target Priority Check you are forced to attack the closest unit to you. But what we don't understand is when this Check is used.

As of right now we are just playing with out this, and Guidance on this would be aprriciated as well.

Target Priority was from a previous edition of 40K and is no longer used. Any rules that mention it do nothing currently.

If he could legally get into combat wtih both the transport and the unit he can attack both and it is the same assault. Make sure you read over the rules for multi assault to see what exactly is allowed and how to achieve a multi assault. Also your flechettes would go off as soon as he assaulats the vehicle that had them.

Vladamyr wrote:Our question was, Does the devilfish count as the unit during the Assault. Or is it assaulted seprately. Also if when the assault of the whole unit would trigger the Fletchettes of the devilfish.

We ended up going with him assaulting my pathfinders 1st and seprately from the devilfish and the fletchettes being triggered when he then assaulted my devilfish.

The Devilfish is a separate unit, so it sounds like you played it correctly.

Also throughout my Tau Codex we are finding references to a Target Priority Check, however we can't seem to find anything referencing this in our Rulebooks. From what we read in my Codex if you fail a Target Priority Check you are forced to attack the closest unit to you. But what we don't understand is when this Check is used.

Target Priority is a remnant of 4th edition. It no longer exists (for anyone other than Black Templars Space Marines, who have their own special rule that still requires it), so you can just ignore any mention of it in your codex.

Vladamyr wrote:Also throughout my Tau Codex we are finding references to a Target Priority Check, however we can't seem to find anything referencing this in our Rulebooks. From what we read in my Codex if you fail a Target Priority Check you are forced to attack the closest unit to you. But what we don't understand is when this Check is used.

Some codex's are older than others. The Tau codex for example was written when everyone used Target Priority Checks. The Tau had some ways armound this. Now, in 5th edition, that rule is no longer used, so simply ignore all referances to it. I beleive it was mentioned in the Tau FAQ. If you havn't already, read the FAQ's that you can download from GW website, the main rulebook FAQ as well as the Tau and nid ones could help answer further questions you may have.

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As for assault...
Were the pathfinders in the devilfish? or just next to? this will change how the combat would play out.

The Pathfinders were around it, our question arrived since the pathfinders "have to" (as we understand it, and according to ArmyBuilder) a Devilfish in the Squad. This is something else we were fuzzy on.

They have to have a Devilfish, but it's not a part of the squad. It's a separate unit, that comes from the same Force Organisation slot.

Okay. Couple of clarifications:

1. You're correct that the codex requires you to buy a Devilfish for a squad of PF. However, it is not "in the squad". During the game, they are two separate units. Their only connection is that only the PF (no other units) are allowed to deploy inside their DF at the start of the game. See "multiple unit choices" on page 92 of your rulebook, and "Dedicated Transports" on page 67.

2. A unit of more than one model MAY assault multiple enemy units at the same time, as long as it follows all the restrictions for moving into assault. Read page 34 "Moving Assaulting Models" and "Assaulting Multiple Enemy Units" closely and carefully.

With regards to the Target Priority Check, there are 3 schools of thought that you will find on this forum.

1. Target Priority Checks no longer exist and as such, the power cannot be used.

2. Target Priority Checks no longer exist so no rolls are needed and the action can be used without the check.

3. Target Priority Check was rolled against leadership (from what I have read on the forums, I did not play during the editions that had a test), and so a simple roll against leadership fills this requirement.

Again, we have had one person already state that the power does not work and another post that the power automatically works. Do whatever works for you and your opponent and enjoy the game. At an actual event, as the tournament organizer to clarify which needs to be done for the power to work.

With regard to the assault, I Mannahnin gives great examples of how to deal with this and where to look for it.

Welcome to the boards

Mannahnin wrote:Okay. Couple of clarifications:

1. You're correct that the codex requires you to buy a Devilfish for a squad of PF. However, it is not "in the squad". During the game, they are two separate units. Their only connection is that only the PF (no other units) are allowed to deploy inside their DF at the start of the game. See "multiple unit choices" on page 92 of your rulebook, and "Dedicated Transports" on page 67.

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I believe this rule was updated with the WH40k Rulebook v1.1 FAQ, as per the text:

Q: Can a unit start the game embarked in a non-dedicated
transport vehicle? (p92)
A: Yes, as long as its unit type is allowed to embark onto
that vehicle and it does not exceed the transport capacity.

No, this was NOT updated. Note the "non-dedicated" part of the question, and note that a Devilfish is a dedicated transport.

Yeah, there's no change there.

That FAQ question is just clarifying that any unit can start deployed in a NON-dedicated transport. That is, one that isn't bought for a particular squad, and takes up its own Force Org slot. Like an Eldar Falcon.