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In relation to this question in the new FAQ, what defines a weapon which strikes at a specific Str value? Also, why wouldn't this ruling apply to something like a powerfist which always strikes at Str x2. Now, I don't believe that it would apply to a powerfist, but I'm finding it difficult to express that in concrete rules language. Therefore, any help in that regard would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Q: Does the Furious Charge special rule give +1 Strength
to attacks made with a close combat weapon that strikes
at a specific strength value? For example are hits from
Gabriel Seth’s Blood Reaver resolved at Strength 8 or 9
when he has Furious Charge? (p75)
A: No. Hits from Gabriel Seth’s Blood Reaver would still be
resolved at Strength 8

Any weapon which states it strikes at "Strength 5" or "Strength 6", for example.

So hunting lances always strike at S5 on the first assault.

Powerfists do NOT always strike a a fixed strength: they double the users strength, which is not fixed.

Nope (to the OP).

You see the rulebook was written under the assumption that the Strength of the model is what is always used to calculate close combat damage, so all the special close combat rules in the rulebook therefore are written that they modify the user's strength...even the Witchblade does this.

However, some point along the way, the codex authors started getting lazy and creating special close combat weapons that are worded as if the WEAPON is generating the hit, which actually by the RAW doesn't even work (because the rules for CC specify that you use the model's strength and that some weapons can modify this strength).

Its pretty clear that this distinction wasn't clear to at least some of the codex authors (if not all of them) as evidenced by the Rough Rider special character having Furious Charge and a weapon that hits on a specific strength value...so its pretty obvious that at least in this case the author believed that the S5 Rough Rider lance would benefit from Furious Charge (because without it, the character is total junk).

But whomever wrote this FAQ either didn't read the rulebook rules for CC or decided to change things up and go with the idea that somehow CC weapons can generate their own strength and that strength value CAN be used in CC (despite what the rulebook says).


But no, this ruling doesn't affect a powerfist because it does not have a defined Strength value.

Thank you nosferatu1001 and yakface, I agree with both of you (as I alluded to before), I was just looking for a better way to word it when discussing it with others. But anything that works off of a model's Str (whether actual Str, or subjecting it to some sort of mathematical function) is by definition not a 'specific Str value'. But grenades, hunting lances, Seth's special ability, things like that, those would be examples of specific Str value weapons. That's basically all there is to it then?

Yep. Weapons which this FAQ ruling applies to are those which state the the wielder's close combat attacks are worked out at "SX" where X is a given number.

Thank you again everyone.