the horned rat

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**Scorpionov**

how come this god is not in 40k? is there any tales of the horned rat worship still around in the galaxy?

**Corpsesarefun**

Last time this was discussed I think the opinion that the horned rat was just another facet of Tzeentch and Nurgle was a popular reason.

**Lokirfellheart**

Because he is a specifically fantasy god, plus he has no proper followers in the 40k universe- But although I've never heard of it in the 40k universe, I guess it could be possible.

**CommissarCandlestick**

It might be because they don't want to bring Skaven into 40K (it would probably look quite silly). Though if you somehow want to factor him into your army's fluff, then by all means you can. They could be a strange and dying cult or something of sorts.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

CommissarCandlestick wrote:It might be because they don't want to bring Skaven into 40K

but skaven are somewhat in 40K they're called the Hrud, though currently they are lacking a table top army

**CommissarCandlestick**

So that's what the Hrud are! They keep coming up but I never knew what they were.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

it's one of the descriptions of the Hrud, the other is more.... odd. here's the quote from lexicanum

The "Hrud" is depicted as a crouched, diminutive creature swathed in rags, its face obscured by a hood, and possessing a rat-like tail.

It seems that the Hrud prefer darkness and are basically scavengers and tunnel-dwellers. They are found all over the galaxy, though never in large numbers. They are considered to be parasites, and when they are referred to it is usually as "infesting" a place.

Observing a Hrud is often difficult even within a well light room due to a distortion field of unknown origin emanating from the Hrud that prevents the eye from focusing on it. In addition the limbs of a Hrud have a bone structure similar to the human spine allowing the limbs to bend in any direction (hence the nickname "bendies"). They also exude various poisons from their skin. Their bodies liquefy rapidly upon death - conveniently making detailing the creature impossible.

Another notable quality amongst the race is that they produce innate entropic fields from their bodies. This has the side effect of aging their surroundings leading to objects such as crops turning to dust due to prolonged exposure and Humans suffering from premature aging

The Skaven are humanoid rat creatures from Games Workshop's fantasy counterpart game to 40k, Warhammer. Both races have a similar unkempt, crouched appearance, scavenger culture, and both are depicted as having rat-like tails; both utilize warp-plasma based technology, which appears archaic but is technologically superior to other, contemporary engineering - the Hrud rifle is a "fusil" while the Skaven rifle is a jezail (a musket) - and finally both seem to have similar social habits being described as living in warrens or similar underground tunnel systems.

It could be presumed that the Hrud were originally meant to be Warhammer 40,000 counterparts to the Skaven. With the exception of the Skaven, most Warhammer fantasy races have a counterpart in Warhammer 40,000. Incidentally, early Warhammer 40,000 rules included a toxin called rodotoxin which was effective against Skaven9. However, Games Workshop have never stated that the Hrud and the Skaven are parallel races, and supposedly GW wants to move Warhammer 40,000 away from its origins as "Warhammer in space."

**BluntmanDC**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:it's one of the descriptions of the Hrud, the other is more.... odd. here's the quote from lexicanum

The "Hrud" is depicted as a crouched, diminutive creature swathed in rags, its face obscured by a hood, and possessing a rat-like tail.

The Skaven are humanoid rat creatures from Games Workshop's fantasy counterpart game to 40k, Warhammer. Both races have a similar unkempt, crouched appearance, scavenger culture, and both are depicted as having rat-like tails; both utilize warp-plasma based technology, which appears archaic but is technologically superior to other, contemporary engineering - the Hrud rifle is a "fusil" while the Skaven rifle is a jezail (a musket) - and finally both seem to have similar social habits being described as living in warrens or similar underground tunnel systems.

It could be presumed that the Hrud were originally meant to be Warhammer 40,000 counterparts to the Skaven. With the exception of the Skaven, most Warhammer fantasy races have a counterpart in Warhammer 40,000. Incidentally, early Warhammer 40,000 rules included a toxin called rodotoxin which was effective against Skaven9. However, Games Workshop have never stated that the Hrud and the Skaven are parallel races, and supposedly GW wants to move Warhammer 40,000 away from its origins as "Warhammer in space."

This however doesn't hold anymore seeing as its one fans assumptions based mainly of the small amount of information from 3rd addition. The bit in bold is very important, GW are very open about how and why races are made.

The reason why the horned rat doesn't exist is because WHF and 40k are not linked, the horned rat would have been created in the warp by the scaven much like the orks are linked to gork and mork, without the scaven there i no horned rat.