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Hello

I was having a think and made some rules for a new Kroot unit as they need a bit of diversity. I introduce to you the Kroot Vipers:

Squad size: between 10-20 Kroot vipers & 1 viper leader

Kroot Viper- Pts/model- 12
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 3 4 3 1 4 2 8 6+

Viper Leader
WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 3 4 3 1 4 3 8 6+

Equipment:
Blowpipe, Close combat weapon

Viper leader has venom spear

Special rules:
Infiltrate, Stealth, Serpentkin, scouts

Serpentkin
Due to years of consuming the flesh of the poisonous snakes of Pech, Kroot Viper warriors have built up an unnatural toughness as such they have a 5+ invulnerable versus shooting attacks. Also due to their knowledge of toxins from their prey, Viper warriors coat their weapons with all manner of deadly poisons. All Viper warriors and viper warrior leaders attacks count as poisoned(4+)

Weapon rules

Blowpipe(1 handed)

Range: 12"
Strength: X
AP: -
Type: Assault 1
Notes: poisoned 4+

Venom spear
Power weapon that always wounds on 4+

2 kroot vipers can be upgraded with Bolaspheres at 6pts/model which have the profile below:

Range: 18"
Strength: X
AP: -
Type: Assault 1/small blast/pinning
Notes Poisoned 4+

I was thinking it would be nice to add furious charge and make it 2pts extra a model. Any thoughts and comments would be appreciated!

Why not just make the spear a rerollable poisoned weapon?

Doesn't make any sense to make it a power weapon.


Besides, if you want more diversified Kroot, just use the Kroot Mercenaries list. And if you still want to use Tau with them, realize that the Tau aren't a close combat group.

Cool unit though, really like the idea of blowdarts. But again, more appropriate for a Kroot Mercenaries list.

Increase your point costs. 12 points per model seems very cheap considering their bonuses

A poisoned power weapon does make sense, its just like the dark eldar whip they can get.

On reflection I think they would be better suited as say 14pts/model. I was trying to add more diversification to the current list without using the Kroot Mercenaries codex.

Cheers for the feedback.

oh hai DE!

Viper Leader should be Ld 9 and have a small point increase. If they have a 5++, they should be more along the lines of 15 points, when coupled with poison weapons and their other stats.

Yeah they are very similar to DE Mandrakes but I think Kroot have the potential for all sorts of nastiness.

15 points really?!? thats a space marine right there with a 5++ save, a 6+ save t 3 bs 3 not to mention they are ld 8, i dont know how much it should cost but not 14 or 15 pts mabye 13 but 10-12 sounds a little bit more resenable.
-chobarba

Its either raise the point cost, or loose the perks. I mean Tau stealth teams are 30 points a peace.

You cant really compare them to space marines as they add something different. And marines are traditionally 16pts per model.

I think 14pts/model would be perfect meaning around 160pts for a squad with the upgrades which would give a Tau army something different.

Tau stealth suits are 30pts per model because they have a great save, a 3 shot weapon and the benefits of their suits themselves. The above kroot would be a very different proposition able to actively take down units in close combat which tau would normally find difficult to kill.

Deathbysoup wrote:
Venom spear
Power weapon that always wounds on 4+

Change that to poisoned 4+. Due to being Str 4 you will only wound T3 on a 4+ now with NO re-roll because it lacks they keyword poisoned. Also you gain no advantage Vs T4 (re-roll) again because the weapon is not "poisoned".


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Deathbysoup wrote:A poisoned power weapon does make sense, its just like the dark eldar whip they can get.

No it's not, the agonizer is NOT posioned it just always wounds on a 4+. The key difference being rerolls for Str >= T.

I stand corrected, I was kinda copying it word for word just assumed that always wounds on 4+ means poisoned forgot about the re-rolls.

The viper leader benefits from the poisoned rule anyways if you look at the serpentkin rule so theres no reason to change it.

Lol so many people assume things but whether it was GW intentionally or unintentionally writing a rule one way it's wrong. I play tournaments a lot & used to play fantasy tournaments (Those guys are the biggest nit-pickers I know) so I picked it up too.

But yea, with serpent skin you don't need the weapon itself poisoned.

Deathbysoup wrote:
Serpentkin
Due to years of consuming the flesh of the poisonous snakes of Pech, Kroot Viper warriors have built up a natural imunity to poision as such they have a 4+ invulnerable versus poision attacks (shooting and close combat). Also due to their knowledge of toxins from their prey, Viper warriors coat their weapons with all manner of deadly poisons. All Viper warriors and viper warrior leaders attacks count as poisoned(4+)

This would make more sense.

Could make the spear +1 (or 2) strength, Serpentkin makes it 4+ anyway and strength 5 (or 6) would give you a reroll to would most of the time.

Also the Bolaspheres, a bit of fluff would be cool.

Being strength 4 would also give you a re-roll alot of the time. I had considered giving them furious charge and increasing them to 17pts each but I think they are ok as it is.

Im pretty terrible at writing fluff but here goes.

Bolaspheres:The Bolasphere is constructed by connecting 3 poisonous balls to a piece of rope and then hurled over long distances by a specially trained warrior. On impact each sphere releases a cloud of neurotoxins designed to incapacitate and in some cases kill the target with minimal damage to the flesh, making it an easier(and whole) target for consumption.

Deathbysoup wrote:Bolaspheres:The Bolasphere is constructed by connecting 3 poisonous balls to a piece of rope and then hurled over long distances by a specially trained warrior. On impact each sphere releases a cloud of neurotoxins designed to incapacitate and in some cases kill the target with minimal damage to the flesh, making it an easier(and whole) target for consumption.

thanks