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Hello everyone, first post so be gentle. I have just started recently gaming with a group of 2 other friends. One of these said friends insists on using a supplement craftworld eldar book to go with his codex. Neither myself or the other friend agree that it should be legal but he argues that gw doesnt say he cant use it so my question is this.. Can he use this supplement book legaly or not and if not where can i find something to show him that is official? note that by legaly i mean in a tournament setting since that is the goal to learn up to that standard and hopefully attend one next year.

First of all welcome to dakka dakka and its good to hear that you are starting 40k its always good to start with a local group of friends. To answer your question no he is not allowed to use a supplement book with his codex you have to use the codex and thats it. At least thats the case for tournaments anyone else can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty positive that this is the case.


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And also try to be forgiving as possible you are all just starting the game so it takes a little while to get used to the rules i'm sure all of you will make mistakes in your time playing I know I have and have been playing for a pretty long time. Good luck in your future gaming!

Depends which codex he's using WITH the craftworld book.

It was designed for 3rd ed (First was Eldar codex, then came 'craftworld eldar minicodex).
The current (Eldar codex) one is 4th ed.

There are no special rules for craftworlders anymore. You can (more or less) run any of them from the eldar codex these days, but things like 'ranger disruption tables' are gooooone!.

If he's doing it to get harlequins alongside the other aspects (Banshees, etc) as troops, smack him upside the head with a dreadsock.

Thanks for all the help! ya we have been at it for a few months and he is a rules nazi cant ever agree like i can with the other partner but still have a good time. Its just the use of this book makes things confusing and it just seemed old. Guess it just kinda rubbed me the wrong way every other rule has to be right but he might not even be using a current book lol

Wouldn't everything in the latest edition Eldar Codex be better anyway?

Apart from starcannons.

Anyway, if you're playing fifth edition, the codex he should be using is this one



And he shouldn't use C: Craftworld Eldar with it. It was designed for use with the THIRD edition codex eldar, and with THIRD edition rules.

EDIT: Oh, and welcome to Dakka! Do enjoy your stay!

I also have a rules nazi at my gaming club he goes by the "how its written" rule not by the "are you serious there is no way in hell that is a rule" rule. and then i have to go pull up an faq and show him the error of his ways but thats just how some people are so just try to work it out and make it as fun as possible. i try to be more laid back with these guys ecspecially in tournaments because although i am there to compete i play the game because i enjoy it and if they are a little over zealous then it just rolls over instead of bugging my competitive side.

Lol, i figured there were more like him out there. My thing is this he must use the book fine no biggie, but it has been a few weeks and he thinks its tourney legal and says i cant prove otherwise so the problem how do i prove its not, since i cant find it written. The thing he does is takes craftworld ulthwe or whatever and a group of 2 farseer and 3 warlocks for under 100 pts.

The part that I find most concerning is that the OP's friend is convinced that there's some sort of "official" list of which codices are allowed at tournaments that can somehow be argued over.

There are two important facts:
1. Almost every tournament is going to restrict people to using only the most recent and still in print versions of each codex. The Craftworld Eldar supplement isn't on this list.
2. The tournament organizer gets to say what's on the list, period.

If someone wants to try to put together a "tournament legal" list using Craftworld Eldar, all you can really do is express your concerned skepticism at finding a tournament where that will be allowed, and try to suggest more up to date alternatives.

Genglash wrote: but it has been a few weeks and he thinks its tourney legal ...

For which tournie?

'Tournie legal' is a meaningless term. Whether or not something is legal in tournaments bears absolutely no relation to whether or not it is acceptable in a friendly game. And every tournament has its own rules. So what is legal in one is not necessarily legal in another.

So, rather than accepting his charge to prove a negative, ask him to show you a 5th edition tournament rules package that lists Codex: Craftworld Eldar as one of the allowed codexes for that event.

He's going to get a very rude awakening when he tries to actually go to a tournament.

like all the previous posts just confront him and say you have to use the most current edition of the codex's for tournaments. All tournaments that I have participated in and seen do not vary from this style.

As others have said C:Craftworld is out of date. Are you all playing with the same edition rules set? If you are playing 3rd edition 40K then everything is fine. If you're playing the latest edition rules (5th) then he's going to have a lot of problems since he is literally playing a different game than you.
The easy way to show him that the codex is not "legal" for 5th is to ask him to find a game store that is selling the codex on the shelves for the current edition of 40K. This is a list from GW showing all of the rulebooks used currently via the FAQ/errata listings http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=1000018&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&multiPageMode=true&start=2 . Look at the list and find his book on it to see if it is legal under 5th edition rules. Or just look at the books GW sells on its website and notice that there is no Codex:Craftworld. That should be enough for him to see the light.

Leo_the_Rat wrote: This is a list from GW showing all of the rulebooks used currently via the FAQ/errata listings.

No, it's a list of available GW FAQ documents. You might notice the new Codex: Dark Eldar is still missing from there. ;-)

But it was a 2001 supplement for the 3rd edition Codex: Eldar - isn't there a note to that effect anywhere in the book?

Spetulhu wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote: This is a list from GW showing all of the rulebooks used currently via the FAQ/errata listings.

No, it's a list of available GW FAQ documents. You might notice the new Codex: Dark Eldar is still missing from there. ;-)

But it was a 2001 supplement for the 3rd edition Codex: Eldar - isn't there a note to that effect anywhere in the book?

Nope. GW doesn't put things like that into their codexes because honestly if you WANT to still use the Craftworld codex then you can! Hell, Jervis even wrote a Standard Bearer article about digging out an old WHFB campaign pack from back in the day and converting it to use with 8th edition WHFB.

The point is, people get way to caught up in what is 'official' and forget that this is a GAME played between TWO people.

To the OP: Just don't play against your buddy if you don't like what he's doing, that's always the best way to deal with someone who is unreasonable. If you're playing in a campaign or league then its up to the organizer to decide what rules will be used in said campaign/league.

But if you really want to try to 'stick it to him' for some reason, then all you need to do is point out all these 'RAW' issues with the codex:

It refers you back to the 'Craftworld Eldar army list' but there's no such thing anymore...the current Eldar codex is just the 'Eldar army list'.

The codex refers the Independent Character rules back to page 73 of the rulebook...so that doesn't work.

There are no 'Guardian Defender' and 'Guardian Storm' units anymore.

There are no 'all on your own' tests anymore.

There is no 'distract' Dire Avenger warrior power anymore.

There is no 'burning fist' Fire Dragon warrior power anymore.

There is no 'crushing blow' Scorpion warrior power anymore.

In short, your buddy if he isn't intentionally being a d-bag should be able to realize that this codex is no longer compatible with the current Eldar codex.

So if you really want to play this guy and he insists on using this codex, I'd suggest going back and pulling out 2nd edition codexes and start trying to use them.

Thanks for all of the replies! Ya I think i will talk to him about it today, but if he must use it im not going to argue too much since it loses it friendly aspect if someone feels defensive. I also have a team match coming up with some long time players of my other friend next week so hopefully he will come to this and see what they think since one of them plays eldar.

If your friend want's to attend tournaments in the near future then he should probably enquire with the organisers of the tournies he's interested in to see if they will allow him to use it.

When they all tell him he can't then he might get the message.