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okay so i was thinking about this last night while painting one of my BA's. ALMOST every modern element of Sci-Fi can be linked to 40k!

for example: lets take Starcraft.... the serisers it doesnt matter.... Terran, their armor looks alot like space marine armor does it not?, Zerg.... Nid referance anyone..... Toss.... uh need i really say Eldar induced? maybe more tau, but you get the picture.
Terminator: Unstoppable machine hell bent on eradicating all human life..... Neron anyone?
Starship Troopers was nothing more than IG VS Nids
Stargate, the gate itself bears a remarkable likeness to the Eldar webway in functionality does it not?

Just goes to show ya, 40k has an impact on everyone in the worl whether they realize it or not!
can anyone else think of anything else? this ought to be an interesting post!

1) Do not bring up Starcraft.
2) Don't get the Terminator reference. Did you mean Necron? There is a big difference there, terminators pass as humans and have set objectives. In fact, apart from being made of metal and looking robot-like they have no other similarities.
3) Not really. In fact, I don't see any similarity other than the most basic 'Humans vs Bugs'. The second movie (which intimidated the gak out of me) could be linked to genestealers but that's it. And the last movie did have a figure similar to a commissar in the beggining.
4) Instant travel through a dimensional portal thingy doesn't mean one is ripping off the other.
5) If you are correct it's only a matter of time before the largest string of lawsuits in history occur.

lol, yeah i meat Necron. and slap som skin on them and they would look human. and i was more referring to the ones in the future battles. all metal and killy. and C'mon your just being objective about Starship troopers. some of the bugs look like Carnifex's fr christ sake. and the fying ones look JUST like gargoyals. and as for stargate. its an alien technology that brings people to other worlds for no apparent reason. if we found a webway today... SAME THING. and i think its like plajerising(Spelling?) in the lawsuit thing, you can copy up to 3 words at a time. so they copied the concept but gave it a new name.... Sneaky Sneaky

1) Really? Didn't seem to work out too fantasticaly for flayed ones.

2) No they didn't. In fact the larger creature looked like a fire breathing Beetle and nothing else. No similarity to a Carnifex there, apart from being big. And gargoyles look very different, Tyranids have guns, Starship Troopers had scythes and looked very dragonfly like.

3) And? Other than the fact that they are means of travelling great distances instantly built by aliens, there's nothing else going there.

4) Plagarism is different from wider copyright infrigments. I think Plagarism is wirtten areas (like taking an extract of a Scientists journal and passing it off as your own in an assignment).

Maybe because 40ks background has been built as modern sci fi has progressed. Of course there's going to be some crossover. I think your a tad late on realizing this OP. The links have been drawn between 40k and other settings numerous times. Hell look at Dune compared with the early versions of the 40k setting.

Starcraft was originally designed as a 40k RTS; then Blizzard lost the license and made it into... StarcraftThe Basis is 40k(hence why the 3 major races are so similar)

Necrons were originally patterned off the terminator Films; the look and the name of the Special rules (we'll be back). GW has been giving them their own divergent background since they became an actually playable army in third(they started with just scarabs, lord, and Warriors before that; and were a way to get Khemri... in Space!).

Any Sci-fi with "space marines"(Space-borne infantry), with "power armor"(not necessarily SMPA), and with "Alien bugs" is based in part off of Starship troopers. the book had the idea of power Armored space borne Infantry making plantet fall via 'drop pods" that fought Giant alien Bugs; the movie had the MI as simple guardsmen(until the third one where Rico finally gets a maurader suit fo 5-10 min).

the web way is a lot different from the Stargate. the Web way opens portals where the eldar can travel to/from realspace, but is an alternate dimension. the Stargate opens a worm hole that essentially folds space between the 2 gates. in other words Webway travel take significantly more time that stargate travel(upwards of months vs seconds, respectively).

Settings/works that influenced 40k: Dune, anything by Heinlein, Tolkien, Real earth history, James Cameron's terminator. Everything that influenced the above.

Settings/works influenced by 40k: Starcraft, Command and Conquer(the tiberium series in entirety), many others i am sure.

A bit off on the starcraft bit. Warcraft was originally a WFB game, then lost the lisence and dident even bother with anything but the names (ever played WC 1? Didn't think so) Starcraft was Warcraft-IN SPACE (and yes, was based about 80% off of 40K) in the same way that 40K was WFB-IN SPACE, but never had any ties to 40k formaly. A lawsuit got involved, and... well I cant remember the rest.

fahujaskillz wrote:okay so i was thinking about this last night while painting one of my BA's. ALMOST every modern element of Sci-Fi can be linked to 40k!

for example: lets take Starcraft.... the serisers it doesnt matter.... Terran, their armor looks alot like space marine armor does it not?, Zerg.... Nid referance anyone..... Toss.... uh need i really say Eldar induced? maybe more tau, but you get the picture.
Terminator: Unstoppable machine hell bent on eradicating all human life..... Neron anyone?
Starship Troopers was nothing more than IG VS Nids
Stargate, the gate itself bears a remarkable likeness to the Eldar webway in functionality does it not?

Just goes to show ya, 40k has an impact on everyone in the worl whether they realize it or not!
can anyone else think of anything else? this ought to be an interesting post!

1. rule of thumb, don't bring up starcraft
2. the terminator and necron backstories are very different and the actual present necrons were introduced after terminator 1 came out
3. you are completely wrong the films are based on a book that came out in 1959
4. from the way webways are written to operate they do not function the same way as stargates and the stargate universe is very different to the 40k one

add to the fact that scifi tv and films are based on futuristic tech or universes there will always be parralels as lots of creators use either present tech extrapolated into the future or idealised tech they think would be cool and mainly imvolve past history and fable/myth. you might as well call tolkien a theif

Also saying 'ALMOST every' is pretty ridiculous, there are so many modern major sci-fi works with no link to 40k or predate 40k

well then.... i stand corrected.... btw whats with everyone saying dont menton starcraft? did i miss something?

Warp travel is almost is very much like the movie "Event Horizon".

You can make these connections between many sci-fi books or movies, because it is science fiction. This means that sci-fi will share scientific explanations for different things such as space travel or weaponry.


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No one mentions Starcraft because people who made starcraft were originally working to make warhammer 40k. They broke off and went to starcraft, which seems to rip off many of the ideas of 40k, especially the space marines.

Mr Nobody wrote:No one mentions Starcraft because people who made starcraft were originally working to make warhammer 40k. They broke off and went to starcraft, which seems to rip off many of the ideas of 40k, especially the space marines.

not only that but many "young'uns" often come onto the forums after just starting 40K and saying things to the effect of "What the heck, Games workshop totally ripped off Starcraft". Which offends us long-beards to no end (Much like when I hear an old song sung by the original artist and then hear some whipper-snapper saying how they like the "original" by an artist that remade the song better).


Edit: there are 2 "f"s in "off"

Speaking of Starship Troppers, if anything the current sci-fi games/movies owes everything to the giants of the genre like Heinlein, Asimov, and Clarke (e.g the Big Three) and of course the guy who started the whole thing, HG Wells.
Giant alien bugs, power armor, human psychic mutations, drop pods, giant machine walkers, rail guns, space warp, etc etc are all well explored in books and short stories. So it's kind of point less to say who copied who.

fahujaskillz wrote:okay so i was thinking about this last night while painting one of my BA's. ALMOST every modern element of Sci-Fi can be linked to 40k!

for example: lets take Starcraft.... the serisers it doesnt matter.... Terran, their armor looks alot like space marine armor does it not?, Zerg.... Nid referance anyone..... Toss.... uh need i really say Eldar induced? maybe more tau, but you get the picture.
Terminator: Unstoppable machine hell bent on eradicating all human life..... Neron anyone?
Starship Troopers was nothing more than IG VS Nids
Stargate, the gate itself bears a remarkable likeness to the Eldar webway in functionality does it not?

Just goes to show ya, 40k has an impact on everyone in the worl whether they realize it or not!
can anyone else think of anything else? this ought to be an interesting post!

Starcraft started life as a wh40k game (supposedly) but then GW backed out.
Terminator came before the Necrons
Starship Troopers came long before 40k was a concept on someones mind (first published in 1959)
Stargate, I'm fairly certain, was not influenced by 40k in any way. The "webway portal" concept is hardly new, and if anything I would say that stargate probably came before the modern concept of the eldar webway (as we know them today), but this I cannot confirm.

FlyersFan wrote:Speaking of Starship Troppers, if anything the current sci-fi games/movies owes everything to the giants of the genre like Heinlein, Asimov, and Clarke (e.g the Big Three) and of course the guy who started the whole thing, HG Wells.
Giant alien bugs, power armor, human psychic mutations, drop pods, giant machine walkers, rail guns, space warp, etc etc are all well explored in books and short stories. So it's kind of point less to say who copied who.

40k itself also borrows heavily from Dune, except no spice. Which must flow.

BluntmanDC wrote:
3. you are completely wrong the films are based on a book that came out in 1959

Exactly, and the IMO the movies (even the first one) sucks compared to the book.

There are no new ideas. Star Wars: A New Hope is heavily inspired by 'The Hidden Fortress' (1958 japanese samurai movie). 'A Fist Full of Dollars' is bases off of 'Yojimbo' (another Kurosawa film), which itself is bases off of 'The Glass Key' (a detective novel).

I think by now it's kinda hard to find an original 'thing' for sci-fi... though people do manage to create a new thing every now and again so go figure.

Oh my god, this discussion again.

Everything steals from everything, deal with it.

Grass4hopper wrote:There are no new ideas. Star Wars: A New Hope is heavily inspired by 'The Hidden Fortress' (1958 japanese samurai movie).

They blew up a space station in Hidden Fortress? feth, Samurai are awesome.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Grass4hopper wrote:
There are no new ideas. Star Wars: A New Hope is heavily inspired by 'The Hidden Fortress' (1958 japanese samurai movie).

They blew up a space station in Hidden Fortress? feth, Samurai are awesome.

That's why i said inspired

but George "Jabba-neck" Lucas himself admitted it as the inspiration. The 2 bumbling peasants inspire R2-D2 and C-3PO, the Princess inspired the Princess, and the General inspired Obi-Wan. It's a good example of a idea being taken and adapted.

And yes they did blow up a space station, it's one of the deleted scenes

fahujaskillz wrote:Just goes to show ya, 40k has an impact on everyone in the worl whether they realize it or not!
can anyone else think of anything else? this ought to be an interesting post!

You got that backwards. 40K is awesome because it lifts all the awesome from other sci-fi universes.