Why do we have Librarians in current 40k (contains spoilers from Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns)

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**AgeOfEgos**

Nurglitch wrote:Alpharius:

Codex: Chaos Daemons, p.6 wrote:Warpspace is Chaos, Chaos is Warpspace; the two are indivisible.

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Nurglitch wrote:AgeofEgos:"The areas of influence controlled by the Chaos Gods form their realms, and the rest of this roiling landscape is often referred to as the Formless Wastes, the Land of the Lost Souls or the Chaos Abyss."

If you want to connect the dots for figuring the existence quantifiers and identity predicates for a non-place that doesn't not exist, you need a five-valued logic. And that's after you disentangle the metaphors.

I think that line is rather telling nor do I think a person needs to create their own definition, I believe that piece of fluff goes out of its way to define the difference. Consider it goes on to state "Much of the Formless Wastes is random chaos, constantly churning and reforming....". This is in direct contrast with the Chaos Gods (and their realms) reflecting the specific emotions a specific Daemon is based upon (and has been shaped by centuries of feeding on that belief).

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Nurglitch wrote:AgeofEgos:

So you're reading the background literally. Okay. That's nice.

As literal as the next guy.......now back to painting toy soldiers..

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Alpharius wrote:
cygnnus wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:

cygnnus:

It's like we're only halfway through the Horus Heresy and the ramifications of the Council of Nikea haven't been fully explored... So yeah, revelation to come, news at 11.

I'm betting there's absolutely nothing other than hope in that statement at this point...

There's a lot of weaseling to be done to make "Ramifications" work at this point. The previous version of the story of the Council of Nikaea fit all the fluff. The current version requires that either The Emperor changes his mind, or that the entire Imperium chooses to ignore the Edict of Nikaea. Neither course has a shred of evidence to date.

The alternate is, of course, that someone at the Black Library made a mistake with The Edict which is now part of the HH-era fluff.

Given those two options, I'll stick with Occam and go with the latter before the former.

Of course, at this point, it gets interesting because if it is a mistake, the BL folks have to know about it and will, in a sense, have to have made some kind of "fix". Which could, of course, be sold as "we meant to do this all the time..."

I guess it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Valete,

JohnS

I think that cygnnus' has the truth of it!

Well...keep in mind in Nemesis one of the planetary governors had a sanctioned psyker (One of the characters even made the comment that his influence must have been 'vast' considering he had a psyker after Nikea). So, I'm sure they can just write another line and fix it (as with all sci fi).

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Nurglitch wrote:Also, was it really necessary to quote all that?

Yes

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Alpharius wrote:I've yet to hear any plausible explanation for this major change, and I cannot wait to see how they get themselves out of this issue...

I thought they just flubbed the fluff a bit...but then I listened to Garro's Oath of the Moment. I think as a development/writing team, they made a conscious decision to alter the fluff...at least temporarily.