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Hey,

So I've been reading the SW codex, and didn't really see any reasoning for there to not be other Space Wolf chapters. That seems to be a major fluff issue on dakkadakka whenever people try to make a successor space wolf chapter, what exactly are the reasons why? Iknow only he wolfbrothers were made as a 2nd founding chapter, but is there any fluff saying there couldn't be a third or fourth founding chapter? I don't know much SW fluff, so asking.

I was also wondering if great companies are ever known to leave the chapter, or if there is any information on the WolfBrother chapter since they are barely mentioned on Leximium.

I'm only just reading the SW codex now myself, but I think part of it is that they don't pay attention to the 1,000 man limit. I believe the codex stated that one of the companies had 200 guys. Assuming all companies are around there, that would mean 2,400 marines. If you ignore the upper cap, then there's no need to split.

but is there any splits due to issues within the companies, or from a great company wanting to go away from the rest of the chapter?

It makes sense that they don't listen to the 1,000 marine limit so don't need to have sucessor chapters, but is there any reason why such chapters wouldn't exist due to infighting or other reasons outside of the Imperium laws.

The only other chapter formed by the legion was the wolf brothers who were lost due to genetic instability. There was something in the fluff from somehwere else (Can't remember where sorry) saying that only fenrisian peoples DNA can take the Canis Helix.
Chapters don't form other chapters so whether or not the SW follow the Codex or not is irrelevant.
Although you can't do the whole successor chapter thing you can do lost companies instead.

It is possible, but unlikely.

Assuming someone wanted to write up some fluff for a chapter they could write up something along the lines of gene therapy or something. Maybe they took some of the tribesmen of Fenris back or found out what makes them special and modified the population. Its 40k, it doesn't need to make sense from a scientific point of view.

Occasionally, Great Companies recant their oaths of fealty and take off, venturing out into space. Others are sucked into the warp while on crusade, and are presumed lost, so their is always that avenue for fluff-creation. Or you can always go with the historical route. The Wolf Lords listed in the codex are only the current ones. In a legion that's been around for `10,000 years, there surely were ones before.

I rather like the idea of their being no successor chapters, personally. While there are the occasional Wolf Lords that leave, I'd imagine that road leads to heresy and damnation, for the most part. I'd like to believe that all the loyal sons of Russ find it too unbearable to be separated from the main pack to have successor chapters. After all, if Guilliman's breaking of the legions into chapters was a good idea, Russ wouldn't have been it's staunchest dissident.

The general accepted reason that there are no successor chapters of the Space Wolves is the genetic instability of Leman Russ' geneseed.

As stated earlier in the thread by purplefood, the only successor chapter of the Space Wolves was the Wolf Brothers chapter, which was disbanded due to genetic instability, widely assumed to be the 'Wulfen curse'.

I also quite like Commander Endovas rationale, that this is Russ' sons still standing by the views of their primarch on the Codex Astartes, even 10,000 years after he disappeared into the Eye of Terror.

Maurin wrote:I'm only just reading the SW codex now myself, but I think part of it is that they don't pay attention to the 1,000 man limit. I believe the codex stated that one of the companies had 200 guys. Assuming all companies are around there, that would mean 2,400 marines. If you ignore the upper cap, then there's no need to split.

this method of forming chapers only happened during the second founding, all later foundings are made on mars at the disgression of the high lords or terra.

as already said the SW geenseed is flawed and only fenrisian natives can accept it.

if you wanted a SW army but with a different colour just say its a great company on a quest.

okay thanks all!

I was just wondering the exact reasoning behind the lack of sucessor chapters in the space wolf army. I like the reasons behind it that you all have shown, i just didn't know what they were.

I would prob start up a lost or company which betrays the space wolves if and when i start my space wolf army haha.

Sageheart wrote:okay thanks all!

I was just wondering the exact reasoning behind the lack of sucessor chapters in the space wolf army. I like the reasons behind it that you all have shown, i just didn't know what they were.

I would prob start up a lost or company which betrays the space wolves if and when i start my space wolf army haha.

Why betrayal?
They could simply be on a great hunt.

purplefood wrote:

Sageheart wrote:okay thanks all!

I was just wondering the exact reasoning behind the lack of sucessor chapters in the space wolf army. I like the reasons behind it that you all have shown, i just didn't know what they were.

I would prob start up a lost or company which betrays the space wolves if and when i start my space wolf army haha.

Why betrayal?
They could simply be on a great hunt.

Or they could have got lost to the Warp, decided they didn't like one of the Great Wolves, not necessarily Logan maybe older. So they struck out on their own fighting Chaos and Imperial alike protecting humanity as they see fit, becoming Renegades. Not Chaos but Renegade Wolves like I remember reading about a long time ago.

I feel like the warp things is overplayed, whenever GW wants to make someone disappear its the warp..

When I mean betrayal it doesn't mean they did anything wrong per say, just that somehow they are seen as having done something negative, maybe allowing an enemy to escape in order to help citizens of the imperium rebuild or defend themselves from various enemy elements. but the escaped enemy ends up harming another great company, so they are seen as betraying.

I really like the idea of Renegade wolves. I have so many armies planned out haha, but i thiink i needa add wolves to it, though unsure how to do the fluff since I def want to paint them differently than space wolves, and like my fluff making then their own thing as seen in my BA fluff thread.

I like BS idea of a renegade wolves army. I may have to try that

It's christmas time, where's the Santa Claws chapter. They washail from the galactic north and work the local craftworld eldar as slaves to make their ammunition for them.

Sageheart wrote:I feel like the warp things is overplayed, whenever GW wants to make someone disappear its the warp..

When I mean betrayal it doesn't mean they did anything wrong per say, just that somehow they are seen as having done something negative, maybe allowing an enemy to escape in order to help citizens of the imperium rebuild or defend themselves from various enemy elements. but the escaped enemy ends up harming another great company, so they are seen as betraying.

I really like the idea of Renegade wolves. I have so many armies planned out haha, but i thiink i needa add wolves to it, though unsure how to do the fluff since I def want to paint them differently than space wolves, and like my fluff making then their own thing as seen in my BA fluff thread.

I like BS idea of a renegade wolves army. I may have to try that

If you like my idea then there is a simple way you can explain the change in their armors colors, perhaps the Wolf Lord, under the influence and guidance of a Wolf Priest or Rune Priest changed ordered the colors changed to distance themselves from their former brethren to further show the revoking of their loyalty as well as in order to prevent their actions from coming back to bite the Legion they left in the ass.

cadbren wrote:It's christmas time, where's the Santa Claws chapter. They washail from the galactic north and work the local craftworld eldar as slaves to make their ammunition for them.

Haha, I like the way you think!

Sageheart wrote:but is there any splits due to issues within the companies, or from a great company wanting to go away from the rest of the chapter?

It makes sense that they don't listen to the 1,000 marine limit so don't need to have sucessor chapters, but is there any reason why such chapters wouldn't exist due to infighting or other reasons outside of the Imperium laws.

Great companies can and do go off on their own errands. But if its going completely away from the main forces and not telling why they better have a good reason why they did so. Theres no laws specifically stopping successor chapters. But as said the only known successor chapter became genetically unstable and got disbanded.

So I just finished reading the SW codex through last night. I think part of the reason GW doesn't have SW successor chapters is that fact that the SW, more than any other chapter, are defined by their planet. A successor chapter on another planet might share the same geneseed heritage, but it wouldn't be the same. Not a fluff reason, but still important I think.

BrotherStynier wrote:

Sageheart wrote:I feel like the warp things is overplayed, whenever GW wants to make someone disappear its the warp..

When I mean betrayal it doesn't mean they did anything wrong per say, just that somehow they are seen as having done something negative, maybe allowing an enemy to escape in order to help citizens of the imperium rebuild or defend themselves from various enemy elements. but the escaped enemy ends up harming another great company, so they are seen as betraying.

I really like the idea of Renegade wolves. I have so many armies planned out haha, but i thiink i needa add wolves to it, though unsure how to do the fluff since I def want to paint them differently than space wolves, and like my fluff making then their own thing as seen in my BA fluff thread.

I like BS idea of a renegade wolves army. I may have to try that

If you like my idea then there is a simple way you can explain the change in their armors colors, perhaps the Wolf Lord, under the influence and guidance of a Wolf Priest or Rune Priest changed ordered the colors changed to distance themselves from their former brethren to further show the revoking of their loyalty as well as in order to prevent their actions from coming back to bite the Legion they left in the ass.

makes sense, may have to steal that. so many good ideas for me to work with !

@ Maurin: your point is very true. SWs are strongly created by their planet, i think though that another "chapter" of source can be made and keep within many of the SW traits by having it be a fleet chapter off fighting in far off places, maybe banished from their planet. By being so far they are forced to attempt to find ways to keep their culture and homeworld within thier ships, new outposts, etc.

Sageheart wrote:

makes sense, may have to steal that. so many good ideas for me to work with !

No need to steal what's freely offered my friend.

Maurin wrote:

cadbren wrote:It's christmas time, where's the Santa Claws chapter. They washail from the galactic north and work the local craftworld eldar as slaves to make their ammunition for them.

Haha, I like the way you think!

Thank you sir and Merry Christmas.