"The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover's Code of Conduct" Author arrested.

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**Frazzled**

He needs a bullet to the head, on national TV.

Better yet, lets tie it in to the American foot ball thread. Put him on the 50 yard line in a game between the Steelers and the Raiders. He's the ball. Every body part in the end zone counts as a touchdown.

**Frazzled**

Peter Wiggin wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Peter Wiggin wrote:No excuse for buggering little boys. Sorry, not gonna bend or break on that one.

I don't think anyone was arguing for that. We are talking about limits of free speech and all that junk though.

The free speech ends when you advocate child molestation.

Exactly. Its not judst advocacy. Its a how to manual.

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sebster wrote:What's weird is that he's being charged in Florida, despite never having been to Florida, or publishing his book there.

He sent the book to a detective in Florida. In the words of the immortal bard: BAM!

**Frazzled**

I found it interesting Dogma has read the book.

**Frazzled**

Emperors Faithful wrote:
dogma wrote:I find it interesting that you haven't.

Really, why's that? It's not like Frazzled actually reads anything else he comments on.

Oh contraire! Why just now I am reading this epic tale about twins, torn by love and war, climbing their way to the top to get some water. I hope it ends well.

**Frazzled**

Did someone say puppy?

**Frazzled**

generalgrog wrote:
dogma wrote:I find it interesting that Fraz cannot conquer his own distaste in order to confront an issue that might affect his children.

I have to say that I agree with dogma on this one. I was thinking that it would be a good idea to read this thing to find out how these people think so as to protect my kids from them thar sickos.

GG

Thanks got that covered already, but I like the slam from the guy who's reading pedo manuals in his spare time.
She Who Must Be Obeyed worked in victim services, specializing in child victims. You want to hear things that will wake you up at night in a cold sweat? She can tell you.

**Frazzled**

Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
dogma wrote:I find it interesting that Fraz cannot conquer his own distaste in order to confront an issue that might affect his children.

I have to say that I agree with dogma on this one. I was thinking that it would be a good idea to read this thing to find out how these people think so as to protect my kids from them thar sickos.

GG

Thanks got that covered already, but I like the slam from the guy who's reading pedo manuals in his spare time.
She Who Must Be Obeyed worked in victim services, specializing in child victims. You want to hear things that will wake you up at night in a cold sweat? She can tell you.

It isn't a 'pedo manual', as you call it, if anything, it is an anti-pedo manual as the whole point of it is to keep those people from doing anything. You can argue whether or not pedophilia is a chronic disorder or just someone with a screw loose becuase that is a debatable subject. Continually making up things that are factually wrong becuase it feels better emotionally is intellectually dishonest and also very disingenuous. The implication that there is something wrong with someone becuase they are more informed than you is also insulting. I've read Mien Kampf, that doesn't make me a Nazi any more than Dogma reading this book makes him a pedophile. You can't understand a thing by ignoring or pretending it doesn't exist, that just perpetuates the problem.

1. Again you're assuming I'm not informed.
2. If it were abook dealing with How to not be a pedo then I doubt he'd be saying hello to Spike.
From the article:

Amazon pulled the book from its site in early November.

"He actually provided a how-to guide to commit sexual battery against children," according to Judd, who said he was shocked and mortified by specific examples and illustrations using 9- and 13-year-old boys.

Its a pedo manual. My point stands. Defending it is utter bs. He needs to die. People that do that need to die. People that support their right to do that need to die.

3. i don't read Al Qaeda torture manuals either, and don't need to know they are sick

s who need killing.

**Frazzled**

Tigerone wrote:For the first time EVER Frazzed is 100% right!

Well even a broken clock is right twice a day.

**Frazzled**

Peter Wiggin wrote:
Here's a quick guide to living as a pedophile.

Rule #1: Don't have sex with little kids.

FINISHED

there you go.

**Frazzled**

Bail set at $15,000.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/22/florida.obscenity.arrest/index.html
Prosecutors are alleging its a how to manual.

(CNN) -- A Florida judge set bail at $15,000 Wednesday for a man who wrote a controversial book considered a "how-to" guide for pedophiles.

Phillip Greaves, who was arrested in Colorado on Monday, said the book, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-Lover's Code of Conduct," can be used as a guide to rehabilitating pedophiles. And, instead of teaching them how to avoid arrest, it teaches them to avoid illegal actions, he said.

Greaves has been charged with the distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in harmful conduct, Florida authorities said. He made his first appearance in a Florida courtroom Wednesday afternoon.

His court appearance came a day after he held court in front of reporters explaining the nature of his book. Asked if he is a pedophile, Greaves said, "I only have sex with grown-ups."

He said he has no children and "I don't keep children around my house."

Pedophile guide: Obscene or free speech?

'Pedophile guide' author arrested

Author defended 'how-to' pedophilia book
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Polk County, Florida, Sheriff Grady Judd has said his detectives were able to establish jurisdiction in the case by conducting an undercover operation, buying the book through the mail.

Greaves protested Tuesday saying he is the target of entrapment, but Judd disagreed.

"He wrote this book, he published this book, he put it on Amazon to sell," Judd told reporters as Greaves was being booked into the Polk County Jail, "and he freely responded to our desire to purchase it."

Greaves and his book gained national attention earlier this year after Amazon.com defended selling the book on its website despite angry comments and threats of boycotts from thousands of people. The book was removed from the website in early November.

Officials said the book talks about safe sex and avoiding injury to children, grooming and preparing children for sex and teaching children how to lie to their parents.

Judd said Greaves' book outlines a "code of ethics" that shows pedophiles how to look for the most vulnerable children.
Greaves told reporters Tuesday he wrote the book to exorcise his own childhood. He said he was introduced to sex at the age of 7 by a 10-year-old friend and began having sex with other children. This continued, he said, until he was about 15, when he stopped and did not have sex again for years.

"Once I got into adolescence, I suppose you could have identified me as an adolescent pedophile," he said. But now, he said, he is an example of the fact that people can reform.

"I think all speech should be protected," Greaves said. But "I was not the one who solicited the material to be sent to Florida. I think Florida law is for Floridians and Colorado law is for Coloradoans."

He told reporters he will not be able to make bond: "I'm actually quite poor."

Judge John Kirkland said Wednesday in court that if Greaves does not post bail he must remain in Florida, cannot have contact with anyone younger than 18 and cannot have access to a computer.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said on CNN's "AC360" Monday night that prosecutors may have a hard time convicting Greaves, and maintained his arrest was unconstitutional.

"I don't think they can go forward because the book is clearly protected by the First Amendment," Toobin said. "This book, as awful as it is, it is only words."

Judd vehemently disagreed with Toobin's assessment of the case and the two sparred on the program.

"This has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with obscenity," Judd said. "We had a law in Florida that applied. We only needed jurisdiction."

**Frazzled**

I have to admit that I laughed at this. Frazz is the king of certain types of fallacy.

Is incoherent a fallacy?

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Mannahnin wrote:The only person in the thread who has actually read the book says the content is not what you, or the Sheriff in FL, claims it is.

And I don't believe him, at all.
I believe prosecutors and police more than Dogma.

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Da Boss wrote:Wow, actually calling Dogma out as a liar. Ballsy. I doubt he'll overeact, but I do think that is pretty rude.

He's directly saying the prosecutor and police are wrong. Either they are lying or he is. They can be slammed by lawyers, judges, and the electorate. he's responsibile to no one. We don't even know who Dogma is, any more than we know who I am. I could be Hugo Chavez for all you know (and I do have some cool crimson red Chavez shirts).

In the words of my first professor in law school: Believe nothing. Trust no one.
Now lets all slam Frazzled for daring to question the Shuma/Dogma/Sebster triiumvirate. but here's a question. I've admitted to being wrong in the past. Has Dogma?

**Frazzled**

Howard A Treesong wrote:And if a fething book can play a role in stopping sick people acting upon their feelings then perhaps it needs to be looked at a bit more constructively.

What part of this are you not getting? The prosecutors and police are saying its a how to manual, not some memoir on how bad things occurred and you shouldn't do that. Your defense of this Beast is misplaced.

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You do know that people are innocent until proven otherwise? Of the few threads I've read in the Off Topic section it's something you seem to forget quite often.
***In the eyes of the court as a legal standard-yep. In reality they are usually guilty.

**Frazzled**

Pathetic. The idea of someone like you sitting on a jury is frightening.

For some reason the thought that you find that frightening pleases me greatly.

**Frazzled**

Dogma started it. If I am not oing to mod other posters who attack me as policy I will attack them back as a poster.

But you're right I'll back out of the discussion at this point.

**Frazzled**

Hey I didn't edit it!

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Peter Wiggin wrote:Don't take Frazz seriously if you can help it Howard.

Besides, here's a personal attack. Frazz likes to troll with weiner dogs, Dogma loves to argue, Sebester is OCD at responding with qoutes, and I'm halfway cracked.

P.S. Folks that play with little army men need to get laid. Think I covered all the bases there. Oh, and vote Prime in 2012.

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Howard A Treesong wrote:
Most forums I'm on have rules against promoting violence against others, but even as a Mod Frazzled has repeated suggested we shoot this guy or kill him in some other nasty way

We're a grimdark forum. I say put him in a cage match with Marneus Calgar.

Prime's a pussy. Vote Palpatine in 2012. He'll make the trains run on time!

And on that note. Its time for me to take a little posting sabbatical. So long and thanks for all the fish!