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Hello Dakka!
So a bit of information:
To start off our holiday break a friend of mine has challenged me to a large point game of 40k where we are pretty much playing everything we have (no Apocalypse though).
Since he has more minis than me, I counted how many points I could field and he'll drop down to match.

Also IMPORTANT! This is pretty much every model I own (sans obvious non-wolves like Marneus Calgar) and it is also WYSIWYG, so while I appreciate 15 ML spam, I simply don't have the minis for it.

Here is what I can field roughly:


So it comes in at a bit over 4000 points.

I can almost guarantee that I will be facing Mephiston, Dante, Several Dreads of all types and Jump infantry, as well as some tanks.

My basic ideas are: Logan + 5 Wolf Guard in the Land Raider as a solid core, pushing forward and crushing Blood Angels, and when I hit the middle lines, assault like a mad man.
Should I switch out a Wolf Guard for Njal? (Can I even do that?) If I can, it would provide the High King with more firepower and a way to handle enemy psykers.

Canis and the TWC, with the Fenrisian Wolves as a screen will just run up a flank and start to chew (literally) into footsloggers; hopefully make there way into an HQ or two.

Bjorn and another Dread will stay towards the center of my army screened by footslogger Grey Hunters, that way they can provide cover, backed by Saga of Majesty, heavy firepower, extra assault power, and Russ forbid, an objective.

Swiftclaws (yes, I know they suck, but I bought them before I knew better) will be a distraction at best and the main goal is to rush up to a vehicle or dread and Melta bomb the living hell out of it.

The group of GH and Rune priest in the Rhino are going to be a mobile Living Lightning platform, moving around and providing bodies and powers where need be.

Scouts will try to get the table edge behind him and rock any units he wants to hide, otherwise snipe and lock units in assault.

And finally two squads of Long Fangs to break enemy armor, and pretty much cause ID to Mephiston

Well...there it is, my mega list and ideas to make it work.
tl;dr huge game of vampires vs werewolves

So folks, any ideas? Tips, tricks, and general advice for fighting the spawn of Sanguinius?

Are there any adjustments I can make without having to buy new minis or remodel? I can go up to about 4.5k if I want to match his maximum.
(The TWC and Fen Wolves are obvious exceptions, w00t Chaos Knights and warhounds!)

Any and all help/advice appreciated!

EDIT: Fixed the gear on some units

okay, so it's basically vs . At least they're not smirfs.
Do you play this guy often? If so, it might be worthwhile to have longfang plasma cannons. My plasma deverstators regularly kill multiple SM and CSM units.

shrike wrote:okay, so it's basically vs . At least they're not smirfs.
Do you play this guy often? If so, it might be worthwhile to have longfang plasma cannons. My plasma deverstators regularly kill multiple SM and CSM units.

? Buddy, this is fondue wrapped in gouda, melted down to fill the crust of a deep dish cheese pizza

I play him at least once a month for the past year, I've known him for years before 40K though, so there won't be any nerd rage over anything..unless we drink waaay too much.
Plasma cannons are probably doable, I think I have a few left from the sprue...what would you suggest dropping for it?

sniper wolf scouts. they'll get about 2 turns of shooting, in which they will kill about 3 marines if you're lucky.
as far as bjorn's concerned, in the battles i've seen him in, he's killed one thing and died.

shrike wrote:sniper wolf scouts. they'll get about 2 turns of shooting, in which they will kill about 3 marines if you're lucky.
as far as bjorn's concerned, in the battles i've seen him in, he's killed one thing and died.

Wait, what? I meant what heavy weapon should I drop from a Long Fang squad to get a Plasma Cannon, because I have to literally rip another weapon off the mini to do that.
Yes the snipers will have minimal impact, but they are still bodies that I can field. This is effectively an Apoc game, so I'm not wasting points by having them.
Also, Bjorn getting popped is a 50/50, because if I have him surrounded by Grey Hunters, then I just got a free objective and Fearless; granted, I'll have to deal with whatever killed him, but I take that risk regardless.

oh, I thought what could you drop pointswise. what weapons do they have ATM?

boj0 wrote:
Long Fangs x6
-x2 Lascannons
-Multi-Melta
-Missile Launcher
-Power Sword
-Melta Bombs

Long Fangs x5
-x2 Missile Launchers
-x2 Heavy Bolters
-Melta Bombs
-Razorback TL Las

Pretty much every heavy weapon except Plasma

drop the heavy bolter and/or multi-melta. give them as many plasma cannons as you can.

Digging through the old bitz box, I realized I had enough parts to just make a Plasma Long Fang.
The amount of advice I've received is well... small, so hopefully this match turns out well, will try to have a battle report up when this is finished.

Is that all your minis? Not much vehicles there. I hope you can list EVERYTHING you have so I can help you.

I suggest using these:


HQ:

Bjorn

Logan Grimnar

Wolf Lord (This is your Canis model, BUT HE IS BETTER)
-Thunderwolf Mount
-2x Wolf Claws
-Belt of Russ
-Saga or Warrior-born
-Wolftooth Necklace
-Runic Armor

Wolf Lord
-Thunderwolf Mount
-Frost Weapon (the lone power weapon in your twc)
-Saga of the Bear
-Belt of Russ
-Wolftooth necklace

Elites:

Wolf Scouts x 9
-Melta Bombs
-Mark of the Wulfen
-Missile Launcher
-x2 Power Weapons

Wolf Scouts x 6
-5 snipers
-Missile Launcher

Troops:


10 x Wolf Guard (assign some Wolf guard dudes to some GH squads since they dont have a ride anyway.... your discretion)
-TDA everyone
-Arjac (this guy goes with the 9 man wolf scouts.... Behind Enemy Lines for a nasty Surprise)
-Dual Wolf Claws
-Assault Cannon/Chain Fist (this guy goes with the 6 man Scouts)
-Frost Axe/Storm Shield
-Storm Bolter/Power Fist Cyclone Launcher (this guy goes with the LF with 3 ML's, you want to be running all the time with these guys not shooting)
-Storm Bolter/Power Fist
-Storm Bolter/Chain Fist
-Storm Bolter/Frost Blade x3

Grey Hunters x10
-Flamer
-Melta
-Wolf Standard
-Mark of the Wulfen

Grey Hunters x10
-Flamer
-Melta
-Mark of the Wulfen

Grey Hunters x 9 (using these guys with Rune Priest)
-Melta
-Mark of the Wulfen
-Rhino

Fenrisian Wolves x10
-Cyberwolf

Fast Attack

TWC x 4
-MoTF
-Bolter
-CCW+BP
-CCW+BP, Melta Bombs


Swiftclaw Bikers x3
-Power Sword
-x3 Melta Bombs

HS

Land Raider (Drop the storm bolter and HK missiles, seriously, stop scaling up the game, you're in a disadvantage)
-Multi-Melta
-Extra Armor

Long Fangs x6 (I dropped the melta bombs from the 2 LF sarges, dude seriosuly....)
-x2 Lascannons
-Multi-Melta
x2 Heavy Bolters
-Power Sword
-Razorback TL Las (gave this to the lascannon squad instead)


Long Fangs x6
-x3 Missile Launchers
-Plasma Cannon


This is the best I can do with the list you posted. Basically I reallocated stuff.... but its better if you can post anything else you have....

Well here we are Bojo, i finally got to checking this out.

First off, you really have no long range anti-tank. Yes i know you are loyalist scum, but trust me you are gonna wanna shut down his ggdd LR with Death Co. You def. don't wanna get into Melta Range of that! IDK if you can add anymore long range anti tank but just keep in mind he'll probably run two LRs just make sure to get rid of the D.Co.

You are gonna need alot of bait and switch with Jimmy. He's one blood thirsty mofo, so throw out your weak units to entice him. Think about taking Drop Pods for some units, IDK your codex well, but throwing some things into his backfeild will def. stall him, maybe holding up some of his units in CC or just back for a turn.

Jimmy is to Edward (Mephiston, like how I compared him to Twilight?) as He-who-must-not-be-named is to Horocruxes. Remember that he can't be insta-killed, he's T6. However he has a 2+ SV and no invuln. This means that every AP 2 or 1 weapon you have should go for him if they're in range. He's gonna protect him by flying him behind a tank of some sort, probably a Pred cause its fast and AV front 13. This guy can ruin half of your army, and by ruin i mean violently rape.

>>>>Quick pause, I know to all of you fellow dakkites most of what i am saying doesn't make sense, well maybe alittle, so please excuse me.

From what i've played against him with his BA he has done a slight 3 prong move. Meaning one to the right, one up the middle (they way you like it), and one up the left. And at these points trust me, he'll do that. What you should try to do is a 2 prong attack, with a semi-weak backfeild. What this will force him to do is reroute his middle prong, or run headlong into your backfeild. If he charges into your backfeild, perfect, now they are stuck back there for the majority of the game. If he reroutes them, same thing.

Anyways, call me in the morning, and make sure to keep his LIT full, if all else fails http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/food-network-challenge/long-island-iced-tea-lit-recipe/index.html