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This came up in another forum. Can a Haemonculus take the same piece of wargear twice. For instance they are allowed to select two pieces of additional wargear. Can I get two Caskets of Flensing?

As long as there's no additional restrictions, you certainly can do that.

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What he said. As long as they're not 0-1 items, yes you can take duplicates.

Ok where does it say that we can do that? In Army Builder you are only allowed to select one of each. I know Army Builder is not an authority but what other codex allows you select the same gear twice? I need some proof for when my twin Shattershard Haemonculus whips out my opponents army, lol

Tyranid codex, but then again, it's the tyranids...

You can't take two Shattershards because they're unique (asterisked in the arcane wargear list).

Probably over half of the items in that "Take up to two of the following pieces of arcane wargear" list have rules prohibiting taking more than one in the army, other items on that list provide no additional benefit taken twice (Scissorhand, or the ranged weapons). For the rest, for that sort of list you just can't choose the same thing twice in a "Take up to two" or "Take any of the following" lists, or you run into S10 I10 Keepers of Secrets, S10 heralds, rhinos with 20 HK missiles and other silliness.

But you can select the same option for the "Replace" options, though.

solkan wrote:You can't take two Shattershards because they're unique (asterisked in the arcane wargear list).

Probably over half of the items in that "Take up to two of the following pieces of arcane wargear" list have rules prohibiting taking more than one in the army, other items on that list provide no additional benefit taken twice (Scissorhand, or the ranged weapons). For the rest, for that sort of list you just can't choose the same thing twice in a "Take up to two" or "Take any of the following" lists, or you run into S10 I10 Keepers of Secrets, S10 heralds, rhinos with 20 HK missiles and other silliness.

But you can select the same option for the "Replace" options, though.

About the Scissorhands, they give +1 A and 3+ Poison, if you take two of those, you will gain +2 A and 3+ Poison, but then also gain an additional +1 A for having two close combat weapons (having two of the same close combat special weapon counts as having two close combat weapons with the special rule of the special weapon).

Taking two of the same is one thing, but what says they actually stack?

It says it in the Codex...I do not remember the exact page number.

No panic, just asking. There's quite a few + items that don't say so.

No problem here. My brother is the one that plays Dark Eldar heh

Ok found the answer. Its on the bottom of page 60 under Arcane Wargear. You can only have one piece of arcane wargear per army if the item has a asterisk. However the webway portal has no such restriction.

Zyllos wrote:

solkan wrote:You can't take two Shattershards because they're unique (asterisked in the arcane wargear list).

Probably over half of the items in that "Take up to two of the following pieces of arcane wargear" list have rules prohibiting taking more than one in the army, other items on that list provide no additional benefit taken twice (Scissorhand, or the ranged weapons). For the rest, for that sort of list you just can't choose the same thing twice in a "Take up to two" or "Take any of the following" lists, or you run into S10 I10 Keepers of Secrets, S10 heralds, rhinos with 20 HK missiles and other silliness.

But you can select the same option for the "Replace" options, though.

About the Scissorhands, they give +1 A and 3+ Poison, if you take two of those, you will gain +2 A and 3+ Poison, but then also gain an additional +1 A for having two close combat weapons (having two of the same close combat special weapon counts as having two close combat weapons with the special rule of the special weapon).

If you had two Scissorhands, you'd get +2A (one from Scissorhands, the other from having an additional copy of the same weapon).

If you had Scissorhands and a close combat weapon (like the one they start with) you'd get +2A (one from Scissorhands, one from having an additional close combat weapon). So the only thing you would have accomplished is wasting points, especially considering that they start with both a pistol and a close combat weapon.

And that's ignoring the fact that you simply cannot duplicate choices in a list of "Take any of the following" or its variants. The Archon doesn't get to buy five Djin blades and the Haemonculus doesn't get to buy two Scissorhands, and a Space Marine Rhino doesn't get to buy four HK missiles and a half dozen Storm Bolters.

Yup. Solkan is right.

veritechc wrote:Ok found the answer. Its on the bottom of page 60 under Arcane Wargear. You can only have one piece of arcane wargear per army if the item has a asterisk. However the webway portal has no such restriction.

Yup. I run two; though on two different Haemoncs.

If this is referring to whether or not a Haemonculus can carry two WWP, then yes, they can. If it is referring to other wargear, the only thing I can say for sure is that anything with an asterisk can only be one-of in your army.

vishra wrote:If this is referring to whether or not a Haemonculus can carry two WWP, then yes, they can. If it is referring to other wargear, the only thing I can say for sure is that anything with an asterisk can only be one-of in your army.

No, one single Haemonculus cannot have two Web Way Portals because you are not allowed to repeat options from a "Take any two ..." list.

Every last Haemonculus in the army could have a Web Way Portal because the Web Way Portal is not unique, but one model may not have two. There's a reason for the extra words in the Voidraven Bomber missile list.

Yes, solkan; a haemonculous can have 2 webway portals.

The entry is "Take up to two of the following".

You are told you may take 2 items, and given a list of items that can be taken, you are not ever told that they cannot be 2 of the same and is worded in exactly the correct way of saying you can take to of the same.

By what logic do you arrive at the conclusion that "Take up to two of the following" is less restrictive than "Take any of the following"?

Zyllos wrote:

solkan wrote:You can't take two Shattershards because they're unique (asterisked in the arcane wargear list).

Probably over half of the items in that "Take up to two of the following pieces of arcane wargear" list have rules prohibiting taking more than one in the army, other items on that list provide no additional benefit taken twice (Scissorhand, or the ranged weapons). For the rest, for that sort of list you just can't choose the same thing twice in a "Take up to two" or "Take any of the following" lists, or you run into S10 I10 Keepers of Secrets, S10 heralds, rhinos with 20 HK missiles and other silliness.

But you can select the same option for the "Replace" options, though.

About the Scissorhands, they give +1 A and 3+ Poison, if you take two of those, you will gain +2 A and 3+ Poison, but then also gain an additional +1 A for having two close combat weapons (having two of the same close combat special weapon counts as having two close combat weapons with the special rule of the special weapon).

You can't use more than one "special" weapon at the same time I thought.

For example, you have two Lightning Claws, but you don't get to re-roll your re-rolls.

Or having two power-weapons doesn't make your power weapons power while your power weapons power.

"Take any of the following" without numeric qualifiers is the same as "Take one of any of the following", or "Take up to one of any of the following".

When you are told you may take up to 2 items from a list; 2 of the same item is exactly the same as 2 different items. You are given permission to take 2 items, and not told you may not take duplicates; therefore duplicates are fair game. Certain items in this case are restricted to 1 and only 1 but that is because you are only allowed 1 in the army to begin with.

Kommissar Kel wrote:"Take any of the following" without numeric qualifiers is the same as "Take one of any of the following", or "Take up to one of any of the following".

When you are told you may take up to 2 items from a list; 2 of the same item is exactly the same as 2 different items. You are given permission to take 2 items, and not told you may not take duplicates; therefore duplicates are fair game. Certain items in this case are restricted to 1 and only 1 but that is because you are only allowed 1 in the army to begin with.

That. If they simply said "take any of the following" then yes, you can't use two of the same item. But it specifically says take 2 from the list, not giving any restrictions beyond only taking one of a one-per-army item.

grayspark wrote:

Zyllos wrote:About the Scissorhands, they give +1 A and 3+ Poison, if you take two of those, you will gain +2 A and 3+ Poison, but then also gain an additional +1 A for having two close combat weapons (having two of the same close combat special weapon counts as having two close combat weapons with the special rule of the special weapon).

You can't use more than one "special" weapon at the same time I thought.
For example, you have two Lightning Claws, but you don't get to re-roll your re-rolls.
Or having two power-weapons doesn't make your power weapons power while your power weapons power.

This is correct. He's wrong.