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Hey guys a little idea I was toying around with and wanted to see what you all thought of it. It's another Valkyrie type gunship similar to the Vendetta and whatnot but I thought it would be a cool idea.

SkyViper Gunship

BS: 3 Armor-F: 12 S:12 R:10

Armament

2 Twin Linked Rotary Autocannons, 2 Underwing Firefury Missile Pods

Rotary Autocannons - Str 5 Ap 4 Heavy 4

Firefury Missile Pod - Str 6 Ap 3 Heavy 1 Small Blast

The SkyViper Gunship has no transport capacity as it is a gunship pure and simple. However, it is meant to get into warzones quickly and deliever the full force of its payload. The SkyViper gunship may fire all its weapons even if it moved at Cruising speed that turn. It still, however, may not fire any weapons if moving flat out.

Anyway let me know what you guys think!

Good idea, but a bit too similar to the Vulture.

i don't like changing the AC's stats.
any idea on points value?

Although the ability to fire both it's weapons after moving at Cruising speed is impressive, Im unimpressed with it's weapons.

Honestly, I think they should have just included the Vulture in the Guard codex.

I'm thinking 125pts for it since its slightly worse than the Vendetta but I think its better than the Valkyrie I wanted it to be a Valkyrie replacement since no one uses it.

Rotary Autocannon? So... heavy bolter with one more shot?

Give it 4 of the missile thingies.

Valkyrie wrote:Good idea, but a bit too similar to the Vulture.

"A bit"?

The Vulture can take twin-linked Punisher Cannons for the "rotary gun" badassery effect.

This entire idea is unnecessary. Making something "worse than the Vendetta"(arguably one of the stupidest ideas that came out of that entire Codex. Why does a minor variation in weaponry result in an entirely new unit?) but "better than the Valkyrie" is silly. The Valkyrie is an Assault Carrier. It's not a gunship, nor is the Vendetta really one(despite what anyone says: strapping guns onto an Assault Carrier does not automatically make something a "gunship". Look at the Huey "Hog" variant that came out of Vietnam prior to the Cobra's implementation). Its role is to get troops in, provide covering fire for those troops and then pull them out if necessary.

And Endova's right. The damned Vulture should have just been put into the Codex as a Heavy Support option.

Valkyrie said: Good idea, but a bit too similar to the Vulture.

Ok well I didn't know what a Vulture was.

Kanluwen said: It's not a gunship, nor is the Vendetta really one(despite what anyone says: strapping guns onto an Assault Carrier does not automatically make something a "gunship". Look at the Huey "Hog" variant that came out of Vietnam prior to the Cobra's implementation). Its role is to get troops in, provide covering fire for those troops and then pull them out if necessary.

I made this unit because I think Imperial Guard should of had some sort of dedicated gunship very similar to the U.S.'s Apache Attack Helicopter. It carries no one but the crew, and a butload of weapons.

ph34r said: Rotary Autocannon? So... heavy bolter with one more shot?

The Rotary Autocannon is supposed to be a Heavy Bolter with 1 more shot, but I didn't want it to be an Assault Cannon because I thought that would be way to good.

rivers64 said: Give it 4 of the missile thingies.

The Firefury Missile Pods I made unlimited because honestly I'm not a fan of the whole limited ammunition thing and I figure a Gunship like this would take enough missiles for at least 1 battle. Also, I think the Missile Pods help to make it better than the Valkyrie.

I guess instead of saying worse than the Vendetta and better than the Valkyrie I want it to be the replacement for the Valkyrie . I just don't like the Valkyrie and I'm sure a lot of other Dakkites can back me up!

Thanks for the feedback though everyone hopefully I can tweak it some more. Also, does anyone know where I can get the rules for the Vulture?

Sanguinis wrote:

Kanluwen said: It's not a gunship, nor is the Vendetta really one(despite what anyone says: strapping guns onto an Assault Carrier does not automatically make something a "gunship". Look at the Huey "Hog" variant that came out of Vietnam prior to the Cobra's implementation). Its role is to get troops in, provide covering fire for those troops and then pull them out if necessary.

I made this unit because I think Imperial Guard should of had some sort of dedicated gunship very similar to the U.S.'s Apache Attack Helicopter. It carries no one but the crew, and a buttload of weapons.
Thanks for the feedback though everyone hopefully I can tweak it some more. Also, does anyone know where I can get the rules for the Vulture?

The cheapest(and most recent) way to get rules for the Vulture Gunship is IA8 or 9, available from Forge World. Forge World, for the most part, makes a lot of the vehicles that get proposed in Proposed Rules.

To give you an idea of the weapon complement the Vulture carries, here you go:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Navy/VULTURE-GUNSHIP.html

Kanluwen wrote:
The cheapest(and most recent) way to get rules for the Vulture Gunship is IA8 or 9, available from Forge World. Forge World, for the most part, makes a lot of the vehicles that get proposed in Proposed Rules.

Well the updated IA1 is still valid methinks

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf

Middle of pdf

Sanguinis wrote:Thanks for the feedback though everyone hopefully I can tweak it some more. Also, does anyone know where I can get the rules for the Vulture?

Honestly this idea is just fundamentally flawed and you should drop it.

The vulture is literally EXACTLY what you describe. It is the apache of the imperial guard.
You made up a new weapon which is almost exactly the same as a heavy bolter for no apparent reason.

I just don't like anything about this idea.


It would be like you designing the main battle tank for the IG, or a hover transport for the eldar, or a sniper unit for the Tau. Already been fully done.