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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/27 20:14:12
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Squishy Squig
Sverige
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Righto, this is a list that aims to have a lot of heavy units.
HQ
Bloodthirster, Unholy Might - 270
Keeper of Secrets, Unholy Might - 215
Troops
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Bloodletters x 5 - 80
Elite
Bloodcrushers x 4 - 160
Bloodcrushers x 5 - 200
Heavy Support
Daemonprince o Nurgle, Daemonic Wings, Daemonic Gaze, Iron Hide, Breath o Chaos - 250
Daemonprince o Slaanesh, Daemonic Wings, Unholy Might, Breath o Chaos, Iron Hide, Pavane of Slaanesh - 240
Daemonprince o Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Master of Sorcery, Bolt of Tzeentch, Breath of Chaos - 200
1995 points
Tactic:
Like I said, this army relies on it's sheer number of heavy daemons. I'll fill the first wave with my 2 HQs and two of the daemonprinces (okay, this depends of the enemy, but this is the basic idea) and then I'll hope that this number shall give my horrors and pointfilling bloodletters (:p) a free chance to break havoc. The bloodcrushers simply adds to the havoc.
The horrors will work as both tankhunters (bolt o tzeentch) and to hold objectives. They're far from ideal, but as they fill two roles they'll do.
Now, I haven't played this list yet, so any feedback of what might be improved?
Also, these are for somewhat friendly games, not tournaments.
Thanks in advance
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/27 20:25:20
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Bloodletters x5 are pretty weak, are the BC diversified for wound allocation?
I would drop Gaze on the Nurgle and add Noxious Touch
Drop Breath on the Slaanesh (you cannot pavane them into a tear shape and breath the tear shape fyi)
Tzeetch Prince I would run with just Bolt and Gaze, you will seldom be in a position to fire bolt, breath and gaze which saves on MoS.
Also, throw the Changeling in there for kicks, hes so cheap you might as well.
Edit: Also, you need Cloud of Flies and Aura on the Slaanesh Prince. I would even drop Pavane myself and give her Musk for Hit and Run.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/12/27 20:26:07
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/27 21:22:10
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Squishy Squig
Sverige
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The bloodletters were merely to fill out the points, it might have been smarter just to leave them empty : p
The Bloodcrushers have no equipments whatsoever, since the equipments are really expensive, and not so good by themselves (except an icon maybe), is it really worth it? In this also considering that I am running friendly games, bothering with such rules might just slog the game down~
But if I would add musk on the slaanesh one, would that not give me alot of times where I would be able to use the breath of chaos? Plus the pavane would turn that unit into a controlfreak : D
You have a point there on the Tzeentch prince, I'll save me 40 points.
I agree with the changeling, he seems like a funny guy!
Cloud of flies and aura on the slaanesh prince..? I think you meant the nurgle one I hope? and then also remove the gaze? In that case:
The reason to have the Gaze of the nurgle one is to make him seem more threatening, and that way he'll soak up more shots. But considering he's got wings it might not be necessary.
Is the aura really worth it? Yes, I get it if you're surrounded by guardsmen or orks, but otherwise?
The cloud of flies is 5 points, not much to argue about : p
New list then:
HQ
Bloodthirster, Unholy Might - 270
Keeper of Secrets, Unholy Might - 215
Troops
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch, changeling - 100
Elite
Bloodcrushers x 4 - 160
Bloodcrushers x 5 - 200
Heavy Support
Daemonprince o Nurgle, Daemonic Wings, Iron Hide, Breath o Chaos - 230
Daemonprince o Slaanesh, Daemonic Wings, Unholy Might, Breath o Chaos, Iron Hide, Pavane of Slaanesh - 240
Daemonprince o Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeentch, - 160
1860
Now, for these points, what can I do..? (add 3 more bloodcrushers! making them 2 groups of 6! I will be hated)
Edit: It might help to say that my main enemy are THE SPESSH MUHREENS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 08:12:55
Subject: Re:2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
Groningen, The Netherlands
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Hey Kalsipp,
Nice list, I agree, big bad monsters are cool.
I'd make some changes
HQ
Bloodthirster - 250
Keeper of Secrets - 200
Troops
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch - 95
Horrors x5, Bolt of Tzeentch, changeling - 100
Elite
Bloodcrushers x 4, all upgrades - 200
Bloodcrushers x 4, all upgrades - 200
Fiends x 6, UM - 190
Heavy Support
Daemonprince o Nurgle, Daemonic Wings, Iron Hide, Noxious Touch, CoF - 215
Daemonprince o Slaanesh, Daemonic Wings, Unholy Might, Iron Hide - 200
Daemonprince o Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze, Bolt of Tzeentch, - 160
2000
Basically what I advise is to make everything a bit more cheap so that you have room to add 6 Fiends of Slaanesh. That adds a very serious threat to your list and more mobility. For this list to work you need target saturation, your opponent needs to be confronted with so many threatening targets that he'll be unable to handle your army as a whole. Adding an additional threat is the way to go I'd say and Fiends will do the job admirably. I might be off on the points for the DP's (don't have codex here) if you need to drop more points you may consider switching the KoS for a GUO. The upgrades on the BC's are more or less necessary, the unit becomes complex and has greatly increased durability because of it.
Cilithan
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Fiery the angels fell; deep thunder rolled around their shores; burning with the fires of Orc.
Armies:
Daemons: 5000+ points
CSM/Black Legion: 5000+ points
Deathwatch/Knights: 5000 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 11:25:34
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Squishy Squig
Sverige
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Hm, but aren't seekers or flamers able to do the job instead of the fiends? It would be alot cheaper : p
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 11:58:51
Subject: Re:2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
Groningen, The Netherlands
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You mean in terms of money? Yeah I know what you mean. I'm converting mine atm from Necron Destroyers, Dark Eldar Reaper Bikes, Tyranid Warriors and Tyranid Ravaners. That saves some money and it's in plastic (I hate metal models in my army).
I've seen cool conversions from Goblin Spiders with Daemonette upper-bodies as well.
If you're not into converting you could for instance take Hounds of Khorne in stead (and use the Warhounds of Chaos models). Flamers and Seekers are not in the same range IMO, good, but not the same in terms of credible threat to your opponent.
Cilithan
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Fiery the angels fell; deep thunder rolled around their shores; burning with the fires of Orc.
Armies:
Daemons: 5000+ points
CSM/Black Legion: 5000+ points
Deathwatch/Knights: 5000 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 13:26:22
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Squishy Squig
Sverige
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I am into converting, but that tip of Chaos Warhounds is great. I mean, they look more chaosy than the actual hounds models.
I shall consider this, thanks alot for the tips : >
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 13:26:28
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Regular Dakkanaut
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gte 5 screamers instead of bloodletters
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 19:25:42
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Newb
Yuma, AZ
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If your main opponents are SM's, don't bother with the Khorne Flesh Hounds. They're worthless against 3+ armor saves, and pretty much anything else except IG infantry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 19:32:37
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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I meant Cloud of Flies on the Nurgle and you need Aura of Aquiesence on the Slaanesh one (offensive and Defensive grenades for the same cost as the changeling - thank you!)
I put Musk on my Slaanesh Prince and KoS because it makes them scary fast and they can't be tarpitted effectively by large units.
I would recommend fiends as well, they are really really good but as you said, expensive in $ terms. Some people have also used the seeker mounts as fiends I have seen too. Throw them on Terminator bases and do some green stuffing to the saddles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/28 22:23:44
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Squishy Squig
Sverige
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Hm, I haven't had much experience with the hit and run rule, but I looked it up and now when I think of it, it might be worth a try ;D
Anyway, the last problem is simply the fiends, and since it's friendly games I don't think it will matter WHAT I use those 200 points for. So I'll improvise, and If I find ways to get cheap models, I'll bite : D
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/29 04:30:15
Subject: 2000p Chaos Daemons 40k
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
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Seekers and Screamers are not the same as fiends as they fill different roles.
screamers with their warp maw are only really good for tanks so if that is an issue go for it
Seekers are great as a daemonette with more speed and an extra attack; good for infantry and with their rending in large numbers they are a great unit against almost everything
Fiends are fast and they hav a high strength 5 attacks and rending they are a great unit that can fill almost any niche.
I would recommend one of them because depending on how aggresive your deep striking is speed is always nice.
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