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I see people doing this all the time, but by RAW it is incorrect.

Pg70 states that a fast vehicle moving at cruising speed may fire a single weapon plus all defensive just as a normal vehicle moving at combat speed.

I think this is what throws people off.

However, Pg66 states that models firing from a vehicle count as moving if the vehicle moves, and may not fire weapons at all if the vehicle moved at cruising speed that turn.

This statement is pretty dang clear. Any vehicle moving more than 6" disallows embarked units from firing unless they get out.

This is the correct interpretation of this rule, correct? Am I missing anything? I see people do this all the time and when I point it out it always seems to come as a shock, especially to DE players.

Far as every rules argument i have ever heard models cannot fire out of a vehicle that has moved over 6" unless they disembark.

All fast does is effect what the vehicle can do not the unit that's inside of it.

That is exactly the way I read it. I just see people doing it all the time and I was wondering if I had missed something. People are always surprised when I tell them that is not how it works.

Thanks.

You are correct. If you move more than 6", no matter what vehicle, you can't shoot from inside.

Yup.

The controlling rule is the third paragraph under "Fire Points" on page 66.

This is good to know... Just like when the new Tryanid codex came out, the Dark Eldar codex comes out and folks think they can do things they can't.

I see people trying to shoot all the time with Orks and DE after moving 12" and they look at me like I am crazy when I say they can't. They assume if you can disembark and shoot then you can stay embarked and shoot.

I see people all the time using BWs with burnas and trying to move 13" and drop templates. That tactic works a whole lot less when you can only move 7" and flame or have to move 13" and get out.

This was actually one of my three biggest complaints about 5th edition when it came out. It really put a hurting on my DE gunboats from a tactical perspective.

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Saldiven wrote:This was actually one of my three biggest complaints about 5th edition when it came out. It really put a hurting on my DE gunboats from a tactical perspective.

Which was the idea. Drive by's were way to effective.

This nerfed drivebys which is good. The vehicle can still do it but at that speed all the infantry can do is hand on for their lives.

Wasn't there like three recent threads about this very same subject?

Use the Search Function.....even if you are a long-time poster..

Steelmage99 wrote:Wasn't there like three recent threads about this very same subject?

Use the Search Function.....even if you are a long-time poster..

I think the poster was getting frustrated with it, and stating said frustration. We might want to consider to pin this post. The new DE codex is bringing even long time gamers to open top vehicles for the first time so there needs to be clarification.

The Acolyte wrote:This nerfed drivebys which is good. The vehicle can still do it but at that speed all the infantry can do is hand on for their lives.

In defense of drivebys, at least now you don't have to lose an entire unit to the inevitable meltagun counter-attack.

Ya you got it right reece.

Thanks guys.

@Steelmage
Get the search Function working properly and I'll use it for sure. That things has never worked worth a damn and I stopped using it years ago.

I will admit that I was doing this wrong for a while about a year ago with my Land Speeder Storm. I was corrected by a Dark Eldar player and have since mended my ways. I was incorrectly applying the "fast" rule to my passengers instead of just the vehicle.

I think this thread is a good reminder though, because I've had to correct many people on this as well.

Ah crap, I just saw the other thread on the same topic further down int he forum. Sorry for the repeat.

@Monster Rain
Yeah, I played a DE player that was doing it and I didn't even catch it until after the game. It reminded me and since then I have been seeing people do it all over the place.