Sorry, Norade, that you didn't find my advice helpful.
vishra wrote:@brothererekos: Really?
1) Ravagers are front and side armor 11, not 10. Fairly basic.
Yeah, I saw that after I'd submitted the post. Later, I considered editing that comment and then left it because ravagers are not Eldar AV12 or Tau D'fish solid. They are almost Rhinos and I know how often those get trashed. Plus ... *cough* open-topped *cough* ...
Again, note the smiling emoticon.
vishra wrote:2) Venoms have an in-built Flickerfield, so after you glance/pen, they shrug it off. If he fixes it, Ravagers are the same. Bit harder for you to pop.
I'm more concerned with two Ravagers being in the army than the Venoms. Those need to stay for mobility of his infantry.
vishra wrote:3)*Shooty* is bad? Not hardly.
Shooty isn't bad <--your words, not mine. I wrote, "*shooty* warriors a
WAAC list for
DE? .... Not
WAAC IMHO.
" Note the smiling emoticon.
vishra wrote:3)This game revolves far mroe around shooting than CC.
I disagree. There are 5 (up to 7) Turns for each army to shoot. There are 10 (up to 14) opportunities for "rounds" of h2h per game. Twice as much opportunity for a h2h focused army to do its thing.
Or did you mean 500 Points? If so, then, yes, I agree, low point games ought to be more about shooting. ... I'm thinking that I have
DE in my mind as soley h2h capable and that their shootiness is a qualified 'okay'. So, okay.
vishra wrote: Especially when you can crank out the sheer amount of it DE can at a fairly low point cost.
When I've time perhaps I'll compare as much shootiness the
DE ar ecapable of compared to
SM and Tau.
Norade wrote:Wow, you've managed to add nothing to this topic.
I disagree. The topic is
DE at 500 points. 500 is very different from larger games given how little a player has to work with. Anyhow, 40% of your points are spent on 6 Lance shots. Given how much there is to hide behind in a 6x4 table with only 500 points of models, I think you've gone overboard. There just won't be that much enemy armor to shoot at, Rhinos or WaveSerpents or D'Fish or Chimeras, but little else. And would be *one* Rhino or
WS, DF or C.
Just 'cause the criticism is negative, doesn't mean it isn't a contribution. And I apologize if it was harsh; I didn't mean it to be. But pointing out what doesn't work *does* add to a topic.
Norade wrote:Especially seeing as some of the better DE players run warriors in Raiders.
And some better
DE players don't run wyches?
Again, Warriors are *not* bad. I plan to buy a box of them soon. I just didn't see them in a
WAAC list at this point level.
My
DE experience is low, so I will humbly acquiesce that some of my advice should be taken with a big grain of salt (the warrior comment, e.g.). But my 500 point experience with Tau,
SM and bugs is not low so I believe part of my advice is worthwhile. That would be having too much anti-T and 40% invested in the Ravagers.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Norade wrote:That's great, but your 500 point list will lose hard to start. You try to get Wyches to this list and their Raider dies in fire and they eat 24 Venom Cannon shots while I run around to avoid your Beast Masters until I have time for them. Really the only list that truly worries me at 500 points is 60 Orks + Warboss.
Huh? Oh, you think I was posting my small
DE collection as a challenger to yours? No, no, it is simply in infancy until I buy 1850 or 2k worth.
However, while we're talking *that* kind of trash, you might worry about this:
FireStorm Shas'
el+
Warfish 6
FWs
Kroot - min
3 Crisis Suits - all
BC/
MP/
MT
495-ish.
Norade wrote:As for that being too many vehicles at 500 points, try telling that to guard who at this points level could have an effective list with 3 Chimeras and 2 Hydras.
Yee, gods, 5 damned trucks under 500?
Man, I have *got* to buy the
IG codex. I definitely yield this point to ya ...
