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If the champion in a unit of WoC chosen takes the item "favor of the gods" does that count for the units roll at the start of the game as well?

Yes, it does.

Add the Wailing Banner for more re-rolling fun!

nice... I got 15 WoC coming to me soon and I wanted to make them chosen. A nice little 5 point upgrade lol. Im also planing on giving MoN and the banner of rage. So they pritty much have both MoN and MoK lol. Dont know what equipment thought. Thinking 2 hand weapons or halberds

Matt65 wrote:nice... I got 15 WoC coming to me soon and I wanted to make them chosen. A nice little 5 point upgrade lol. Im also planing on giving MoN and the banner of rage. So they pritty much have both MoN and MoK lol. Dont know what equipment thought. Thinking 2 hand weapons or halberds

The reason I was saying the Wailing Banner is that you have a very high chance of getting a 12 result on the initial EotG roll with it.

2 - Re-roll due to the chosen's special rule
3 - Drop down to 2 and re-roll
4 - Stuck with this, although a choice between 3,4, or 5 is not that bad
5 - Also stuck with this, you can still choose between 4,5, or 6 though
6 - Up to 7 and Re-roll
7 - Re-roll due to the chosen's special rule
8 - Drop to 7 and Re-roll
9 - Up to 10 and Re-roll
10 - Unit causes Terror thanks to the Wailing Banner. Re-roll.
11 - Up to 12 for maximum profit
12 - Profit! (MoT+Divine Greatness=+3 Ward and Stubborn )

Your opponent might get testy if the re-rolls continue too long, but it's totally legit(WoC FAQ says that the EotG table is an exception to never re-rolling a re-roll).

EDIT: Oh, and Halberds all the way. S5 is sweet and only the dudes in the first rank benefit from AHWs.

that looks like a great idea! im going to have to try this

Tzeentchling9 wrote:2 - Re-roll due to the chosen's special rule
3 - Drop down to 2 and re-roll
4 - Stuck with this, although a choice between 3,4, or 5 is not that bad
5 - Also stuck with this, you can still choose between 4,5, or 6 though
6 - Up to 7 and Re-roll
7 - Re-roll due to the chosen's special rule
8 - Drop to 7 and Re-roll
9 - Up to 10 and Re-roll
10 - Unit causes Terror thanks to the Wailing Banner. Re-roll.
11 - Up to 12 for maximum profit
12 - Profit! (MoT+Divine Greatness=+3 Ward and Stubborn )

So when you field this unit do you carry this chart around with you, cuz that seems rather hard to remember

It would be nice to have the chart handy.

You could add Festus to the unit to give them regeneration (5+) and poisoned attacks. If I was a fan of Nurgle, I would probably use him and his marks.
I would normally suggest halberds too.

HoverBoy wrote:

Tzeentchling9 wrote:2 - Re-roll due to the chosen's special rule
3 - Drop down to 2 and re-roll
4 - Stuck with this, although a choice between 3,4, or 5 is not that bad
5 - Also stuck with this, you can still choose between 4,5, or 6 though
6 - Up to 7 and Re-roll
7 - Re-roll due to the chosen's special rule
8 - Drop to 7 and Re-roll
9 - Up to 10 and Re-roll
10 - Unit causes Terror thanks to the Wailing Banner. Re-roll.
11 - Up to 12 for maximum profit
12 - Profit! (MoT+Divine Greatness=+3 Ward and Stubborn )

So when you field this unit do you carry this chart around with you, cuz that seems rather hard to remember

Well, the only thing I can't remember exactly is which is which for 3, 4, and 5.

From memory:

2=Stupid
3=+1T
4=+1A
5=+1S
6=+1 Armor
7=Nothing
8=MR3
9=+1Ld
10=Fear(re-roll if already cause Fear/Terror)
11=Terror(re-roll if already cause Terror)
12=+4 ward and stubborn

[quote=]It would be nice to have the chart handy.

You could add Festus to the unit to give them regeneration (5+) and poisoned attacks. If I was a fan of Nurgle, I would probably use him and his marks.
I would normally suggest halberds too.

Yeah Festus used to be the way to go. Thankfully, that's no longer required, and you can spend points elsewhere.

I just hit a snag my my cash flow (got my first tattoo) so my army wont be as big as I hoped right now. I can chose to get either the battalion and order the sprue of 3 chaos worriors and make the unit of 15 chosen or order 2 unit of ogres and have 2 units of 6 chaos ogres with great weapons.

Any thoughts?

I love this idea.

especially since i run Tzeench.

so the 2 units of orgres then?... thats 19 S6 attacks. Mabye give them chaos armour for 30points extra per unit. Or were you being sarcastic?

I think he means just chosen with the terror banner and mark of tzeentch.

As for me, I've never used ogres, instead going with trolls. Keep in mind though you'll go last, so it may not actually be 19 attacks by then.

yeah, i was reffering to the chosen.

Terror banner + Favor of the Gods is just a nasty combo.

you get to keep rerolling unless you roll low on 2d6.

Im starting to think the same thing. Looked up In tests and the though of loosing 6 ogres in 1 turn with 1 spell could really hurt.

As Boss Salvage would say, this is the road to "Awesome Chosen City"... but I'm not a huge fan, as it's a pretty common tactic.

I run units of chaos ogres with great weapons in my armies... usually just one. I like it at size 8, with musician and standard, and if I can afford it, Chaos Armor. They need the armor to try to survive to strike... however, on a budget you can skip it.

It's a pricey unit, but sweet. Chosen are going to be better, but not as unique...

Yeah guy I played spent about 3 minutes rolling until he finally got his 12....

Game started....

I took my first turn....

21 chosen became clanrats....

Its an EXTREMELY expensive way to get a strong unit, and im almost under the impression its not worth the points with how powerful magic is in this game.

ShivanAngel wrote:Yeah guy I played spent about 3 minutes rolling until he finally got his 12....

Game started....

I took my first turn....

21 chosen became clanrats....

Its an EXTREMELY expensive way to get a strong unit, and im almost under the impression its not worth the points with how powerful magic is in this game.

This is the most extreme case(Dreaded 13th being THE nuke to use against chosen), chosen really are not hurting that much from the other nuke spells though.

Puple Sun/Pit of Shades? Lolz with high Initiative
Dwellers? That'll hurt still, but they won't be dropping like S3 models. Like your wizard for instance when my 3rd Eye of Tzeentch Sorcerer throws his Dwellers right back at him.
Final Transmutation? As bad as Dwellers, but those armies that have access to the Lore Metal won't be taking Life.

i tried it last night and it works pretty well although i got stuck with 5 after about 6 rolls.


at higher point games its good as you can afford a Large unit of chosen.

it's really a shame you can't duplicate Favor of the Gods.

As a side note, the more certain way to awesome Chosen city is to take a warshrine as well. Throw in another 130 odd point unit and you can certainly get what you want. Yay? Every time I see that unit I think "Kill the other 1200 points in the 2000 point game while avoiding it." Avoiding it is hard, but I tend to think it is a few too many points in one place. If you could get Chosen Knights though... that would make it horrific. I get nervous about charge baiting the bugger when it only moves 4" base.

they really should make Knights just Chosen on Horses.

for some reason Knights cause fear while the "Chosen of the Gods" don't

I faced this unit one time. I stuck a pope wagon in it. I didn't issue a challenge, so the TZ sorceror in the unit issued it back (this was mandatory). My pope was weapon skill 10 and speculumed his sorceror to ws4... 5's to hit. That combat didn't move until the end of the game, the rest of my army overwhelmed the rest of his... massacre to the empire.

I agree with previous posters. It's too many points to sink in a single unit, particularly given how susceptible chaos are to being challenge blocked.

Malleus wrote:I faced this unit one time. I stuck a pope wagon in it. I didn't issue a challenge, so the TZ sorceror in the unit issued it back (this was mandatory). My pope was weapon skill 10 and speculumed his sorceror to ws4... 5's to hit. That combat didn't move until the end of the game, the rest of my army overwhelmed the rest of his... massacre to the empire.

I agree with previous posters. It's too many points to sink in a single unit, particularly given how susceptible chaos are to being challenge blocked.

That is why you have a Champ with you. They also must issue a challenge and can accept them in a character's place.

Unit of 15 with the mark of tzeentch, full command, halberds, wailing banner and favor of the gods puts this unt around 410 points. The last game I played with a friend I used black orcs to proxy for the chosen (havent arrived yet) agenst his Dwarfs. I used this combo and rolled the 1+ save and crossed the field with only 1 model killed. taking fire from a organ gun and 16 thunderers. The unt was killed by the 4th turn from a second organ gun and a second unit of 16 thunderers. For the point cost they do very well. This combo is worth the points. I managed to kill 16 thunderers, 1 organ gun and 1 Deamon slayer all runed up before the unit got down to 10 models. Mostly from really bad rolls. 1+ save and on 1 volley of thunderers rolled five 1s.

the gift that increases your save doesn't give you a 1+ save, it adds +1 to your save.

your chosen would only have had a 2+ save against shooting and a 3+ in CC.

you would have been rolling a 4+ save vs Thunderers after modifiers.

I messed that on up pritty god. Oh well he won anyway. thanks for pointing that out.

Malleus wrote:
I faced this unit one time. I stuck a pope wagon in it. I didn't issue a challenge, so the TZ sorceror in the unit issued it back (this was mandatory). My pope was weapon skill 10 and speculumed his sorceror to ws4... 5's to hit. That combat didn't move until the end of the game, the rest of my army overwhelmed the rest of his... massacre to the empire.

I agree with previous posters. It's too many points to sink in a single unit, particularly given how susceptible chaos are to being challenge blocked.

That is why you have a Champ with you. They also must issue a challenge and can accept them in a character's place.

That actually helps the challengeblocking strategy, on the off chance that the arch lector manages to actually kill whatever he's fighting. The only think the arch lector is really worried about is having nothing left to kill, and consequently suffering a massive blizzard of s6 halberd attacks. I love it when there's a champion, and preferrably a BSB as well.

PS I'm sure some chaos player or other will tell me shame on me for using such disgusting cheese. I shall respond by pointing out that you're bending the eye of the gods rule like a pretzel to produce an uber-unit that nothing in the entire game stands the slightest chance of winning combat against. Pots and kettles.

Malleus wrote:
PS I'm sure some chaos player or other will tell me shame on me for using such disgusting cheese. I shall respond by pointing out that you're bending the eye of the gods rule like a pretzel to produce an uber-unit that nothing in the entire game stands the slightest chance of winning combat against. Pots and kettles.

Well, I'm sure your popemobile does not cost 500+ points. Just saying.

Besides you are Empire and we are Chaos so we get to cheat with cheese.

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat." Isn't that the mantra of Chaos?

I think so. At least it is for Tzeentch. The confusing rules are what matter, not the actual outcome of this one silly little battle.