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MY goal...to "K M B"

HQ

1XDaemon Prince-155(Wings,Lash of submission)

1XDaemon Prince-155(Wings,Lash of submission)

1xGreater Daemon-100

ELITES

7XChosen Space Marines-166(Campion,3XMeltagun
Rhino-35


TROOPS

10XChaos Space Marines-190(1XLascannon,1Xmeltagun,Icon Chaos Glory

10XChaos Space Marines-185(Campion-combi-weapon,2Xflamer)
Rhino-35

9XKhorne Berzekers-229(Campion cu power fist) into LR

6XLesser Daemons-78


HEAVY SUPPORT

1XLand Raider-220

1XChaos Defiler-150(3 Close combat arms-s10,TL Reaper Autocannon,Battle Cannon
Reaper cannon because if you get weapon destroyed...and if you get immobilized

2XObliterators-150

This should definitely be in army lists....

Also, heavy weapons don't work to well with Chaos Space Marines (the squad)

Moving to army lists.

Just wondering, why only 3x meltas in the chosen squad? also might think of putting combi meltas on your rhinos to make them more of threat, maybe try Daemonic possession too (id also give EVERY squad a rhino, foot slogging them up the field or to an objective usually sucks). And as a final after thought about your marine squad with flamers, look into putting in two squads of noise marines w/ doomsiren. Their flamers are str 5 ap 3 so will penetrate even SM armor.

I'd prefer Cult Marines instead of nonfearless CSM.

HQ - Fine

Elites - Drop the Champion on the Chosen, put 2 more Melta's in. (For 5 total)

Troops - Drop the Lascannon, make it another Meltagun. Drop the Lessers.

Heavy - Drop the Land Raider and the Defiler for 5 more Obliterators. You have the points for this after dropping the Lessers; you should have a few left over.

In my choosen itsn't it too much 5 meltas? 3 maybe 4 i can take out anything except a Monolith.The Champion is for Greter Daemon


Troops-I think you are right- I should drop the Lascannon-But then I should take another Rhino right?or does it work footslogging?

I heard you can do some pretty good things with your Lesser Daemons,mostly objectives

Heavy
A Defiler isn't such a good deal?Maybe I should take a Dread? only 100 points with ML(i would keep him next to something I can't hurt(a Rhino for example and I would fire the s4blasts on a AV11)

I don't understand why people get such raging "clues" over dual lash. What is your strategy with lash? Is it to pull them into assault range for zerkers? Because the only other use I've seen effective is to clump them up for a vindicator.

The better way to run them IMO is Wing, Warptime, MoN.
T6 is amazing. It means that Str4 needs 6's to hurt you. Plasma needs a 3 not a 2. Assault cannons need a 4. All in all it makes you much more survivable & the re-roll everything in CC makes you much nastier.

Those chosen only need to be 5 strong. They get 2 meltas & 2 flamers, outflank in rhinos.

I also don't like single squad of zerkers in a LR. Here's Why: Railguns, Drop-pod Meltas, Mycetic Spore Zoanthropes, Laz/Plaz Razorback Spam. DoA with meltas. Too much can kill / immobilize that raider & make it useless.

Lose the lascannon on the CSM it isn't needed. Also I prefer my CSM in squads of 6. Try something like this:

Daemon princes(x2)-wings, warptime, MoN
175x2=350

Elites
5 Chosen (x2)- 2 Flamers 2 Meltas, IoC, Aspiring champ Outflank in Rhinos, Possesion
175x2=350

Troops
6 CSM(x3) with IoC, Melta, AC w/ PF, rhino, Possesion
185 x3= 555


Obliterators (x2)
150

Defiler
150

Greater daemon-100

6 lesser daemons
78

Your Daemon princes are now better in combat & more survivable. Your rhinos are going to stay mobile w/ possesion on the rhinos. Those chosen are now a significant threat to anything with 2 flamers & 2 meltas. With 3 melta they aren't a threat to troops in cover on objectives or a horde of orks / gaunts. Personally I'd sack the daemons but I think you wanted them as well as the defiler. the defilers points would be better spend for 2 more oblits IMO.

I don't understand why people get such raging "clues" over dual lash. What is your strategy with lash? Is it to pull them into assault range for zerkers? Because the only other use I've seen effective is to clump them up for a vindicator.

Pull them into range for a doom siren from a disembarking NM squad, or into range for some plasma cannons from some Obliterators.

Greater Daemon yes.

What does everyone else think?

*** 1: Should I CUT the Land Raider and get a Rhino for my Zerkers?(Isn't The Rhino gonna go boom boom leaving my zerkers in the open?)

*** 2 .6 man CSM squads seem fragile to give them a power fist what do you think?

***3.Defiler GOOD? or BAD? 2 Oblits or a Defiler? or BOTH?

*** 4.A cheap Dreadnought for 100 points is the way to go?(you can avoid frenzy by keeping him with a ML next to a rhino as shoot the s4 missile versus AV11)

***5.Chosen SM- I would kit them 6 man squad with 3 melta/2 flamer/champion

***6.Lesser Daemons are they any good? I think for the objectives they could work

***7.Greater Daemon do we use it?(I think it's like a Super powerful Champion with 4 wound T6 s6-could come in handy..plus when it comes it can assault-BUT it's 100 points...almost like a DP

The LASH tactics it's not just to get them outside cover,put them in a circle for template/blast weapons,pull thme near your dred/defiler or drive MC or other units back or make them fly into terrain to take dangerous tests..BUT also every unit that is touched by it MUST take a Pinning Test,which could matter a lot(If you pull something out and it fails the pinning test you can fire at something else)

Thank you for the feedback..let'a all learn/PS: I will try to use my DP also MoN but I don't think it will work as good

PS: your rhino don't need Possesion just extra armor..and it's 5 pts cheaper...because you will not fire be firing mostly moving...and if you fire...you don't want that BS3...so use EA

Lash is fine, your list just not optimized for it. The Oblits will help by dropping Plasma Cannon blasts on fools.

O you can go the Assaulty way, with more Zerkers and NM's. Personally I think Lash is fine on Princes, but it's better on Sorcerers.

Greater Demons are pretty nice if you have the points. Don't cut things for it though.

Lessers are not that good. If you desperately need more scoring dudes, take a tiny squad of Regular CSM to sit on an objective if you really feel the need.

Defilers - 1 is meh, 2 are a threat, 3 must be dealt with. You could swing 3 Oblits plus 2 Defilers though.

@Shas O' Dorian: Demon Princes are not meant to be survivable. They should be kept cheap to fulfill their intended role: disruption, picking off weak/small units, and target saturation. Lash keeps him reasonable (125 with Wings, I believe) and adds to his disruptive ability.