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I've got some question about farseer psychic powers. First off, eldritch storm. Since it s a blast weapon, does it scatter? I got cremed in my last game because my powers were all missing. Against a 20 Ork boy Squad! Don't you think that after years of training, a farseer still can't hit his foes Straight?

I think that if it says "Blast" then it scatters yes...

Jim

Wrong forum...

But its a psychic shooting attack that uses a 5" blast marker.
So its a shooting attack with a large blast.
Indeed it would scatter as almost all blasts do now.
Were you taking 5" off the scatter for the Farseers BS? You'd have to scatter a good few inches to completely miss 20 boyz, and with -5" thats impressive!

Anything with the 'large blast' rule in the shooting profile will roll to scatter as normal, unless specified otherwise.


Also it must be hard to aim a psyhic storm in the first place, just be thankful you get to minus your BS to the scatter

Yes, it scatters.

Yes, this is the wrong forum.

Also, Eldritch Storm is by far the worst power for a Farseer. Save yourself some headaches and never try to use it.

Well I couldn't really find a forum for this post...

I think I was just unlucky with the storm, both times I used it I rolled fives and sixes.

Oh well. At least Mind War rules.

Grakmar wrote:

Also, Eldritch Storm is by far the worst power for a Farseer. Save yourself some headaches and never try to use it.

Sure, compared to the use of the other powers. Doom would most likely be better to hurl at the orcs. Still, compared to a shuriken pistol (or even a singing spear), i think eldritch storm would be my weapon of choise as a more direct approach (suppose the seer is cornered with a small unit, and/or forgott to cast spells at the start of the turn). If you got some points over (not likely with eldar though) it could be a nice power for unpredicted need of firepower.
But then again, to plan for failure is a plan for failure

Grakmar wrote:Yes, it scatters.

... Both the Eldar players in my gaming group says it doesn't scatter, and the one uses it often. *sigh*...

The Bringer wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Yes, it scatters.

... Both the Eldar players in my gaming group says it doesn't scatter, and the one uses it often. *sigh*...

point at the bit in the rules about blasts scattering, then ask them to point to somewhere that says it does not scatter.

The Bringer wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Yes, it scatters.

... Both the Eldar players in my gaming group says it doesn't scatter, and the one uses it often. *sigh*...

Ask them to show you where in the rules it says it doesn't scatter; when they fail to produce said rule show them page 30 of the BRB.

If you have an Ork player(or an Ork codex available), you can show them a reference to where a Psychic shooting attack does automatically hit without need for scatter("Frazzle", and "ZZap" Ork Codex Page 37)

I'm not entirely sure of this, but from what I've been told, it is worded place the template and resolve hits as normal, but it doesn't actually tell you to scatter...

I haven't read it myself, so the wording could be different.

The Bringer wrote:I'm not entirely sure of this, but from what I've been told, it is worded place the template and resolve hits as normal, but it doesn't actually tell you to scatter...

I haven't read it myself, so the wording could be different.

That's correct.

In 4th, it didn't scatter and you didn't need to roll to hit.

In 5th, every blast weapon scatter, so it has been forced to scatter as well.

But, let your Eldar friends keep it scatter free. It's still absolute rubbish. If you make them start scattering, they may realize that and start taking a useful power like Guide or Doom.

The Bringer wrote:I'm not entirely sure of this, but from what I've been told, it is worded place the template and resolve hits as normal, but it doesn't actually tell you to scatter...

I haven't read it myself, so the wording could be different.

No but the blast rules do tell you to scatter and eldrich storm includes no further rules to specify that you don't.

Grakmar wrote:
But, let your Eldar friends keep it scatter free. It's still absolute rubbish. If you make them start scattering, they may realize that and start taking a useful power like Guide or Doom.

Now that, is true. They usually get 12 hits or so, and then they fail to wound with most of them, and the last are easily saved. That alone may make them take another power.

The silly Eldar player always targets my mixed unit of LC and THSS Terminators with a Sanguinary Priest... I'll try to encourage that for as long as possible.

Eldar Codex wrote:...The Eldar player places the large blast marker centred on an enemy model...

BGB wrote:...pick one enemy model visable to the firer and place the blast marker...with its hole over the base of the target model...

Pretty much the same right?
Blasts accoring to the BGB scatter after this stage.
The Eldar codex does not state you "do not" scatter, therefore, you "do" scatter.

The Bringer wrote:

Grakmar wrote:
But, let your Eldar friends keep it scatter free. It's still absolute rubbish. If you make them start scattering, they may realize that and start taking a useful power like Guide or Doom.

Now that, is true. They usually get 12 hits or so, and then they fail to wound with most of them, and the last are easily saved. That alone may make them take another power.

The silly Eldar player always targets my mixed unit of LC and THSS Terminators with a Sanguinary Priest... I'll try to encourage that for as long as possible.

LOL! That's like the worst target possible.

Each hit has a 1/3 chance to wound, 1/6 chance to fail armor, and 1/2 chance to fail FNP. That's a 1/36 chance to kill a model per hit!!!

I'd be interested to see a battle between a Farseer with Eldrich Storm vs 10 TH/SS Termies with a Priest. Even if the termies stood in place the entire time, the Farseer may kill himself through PotW before he kills the termies!

I wouldn't total hate on eldrich; it's not a bad back up power for 20 points.

I ran jetbike seer with stones, doom, fortune, eldrich and runes. The Eldrich is really good against vehicle squadrons. Despite AP-, you've got a good shot at glancing and the spinning can be really good.
It's very nice to fire at the rear of a Russ or the side of a chimmera.

Most often I'd fortune and doom, but sometimes against Mech armies, Eldrich was better than doom. I took it instead of the spear, for the extra 6" of range; I could pop it off, then EJB back away 6" giving me some pretty good survivability.

On rare occasion, (last turn of game) I'd doom then eldrich, though I don't know if doom is a shooting power these days.

I found it worth 20 points to have the options.

Gee, I really didn't know that all blast weapons scattered once my opponent brought this up.