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In the warrior entry it says that any troops apart from the 2 complus. can stay in reserve BUT they must enter play from a Monolith if there is one available.

Let's say that I have 4 warrior groups and 1 Monolith

So my questions :::: #1.If I choose to reserve all my squads and I do have a Monolith 2 of my warriors can come off the board and 2 MUST enter via Monolith?
#2.If I want all my squads to come via monolith is it possible?(of Course just one per turn)

#3.If I attach an IC to my warriors can he also come from reserve with the warriors via Monolith?

#4.If I have in reserve Destroyers,Wraiths and other Necrons that can be normally transported via Monolith can they enter play via Monolith portal? Or just the warriors can?

#5.After they came the units act normally...shoot and assault right? but can the monolith fire it's secondary gun?-the particle whip i know it can't

#6.If a Monolith scatters on enemy models you move them aside but waht if it scatter on your own models? what then? mishap?

AND#7.Monolith can fire any weapon when they deep strike even if they count as moving at crussing speed?

Thank you

#1: No, some may come off of the back field. FYI you can still port the warriors who came in from reserve.

2: Just one per turn, per monolith as I understand it.

3: Yes

4: I think you can actually use the Monolith to port any necron unit. It also gives them another chance to WBB

5: I think the particle whip can always fire. The units can act normally Now if they have already moved they can not move after being teleported.

6: you move your models

7: The mono can only move six inches any how, so I think it can still fire a weapon.

I am no necron pro, but I know a few things. Somebody will be along to confirm what I have just said.

1. Only Necron Warrior units placed in reserves using their special Reserves rule can/must enter play through the Monolith. Previous ed this allowed you to keep units in Reserves even when the Reserves rule was not in play. Now, everything can start in Reserves anyways, so you declare during deployment how each Warrior unit (to include the two Mandatory Troops) is going to enter play.

2. Yes, it is possible, and yes, only one per turn.

3. I'd say no. The Lord doesn't have the Warriors special Reserves rule which is what allows them to enter play through the Monolith.

4. Warriors only. None of the others have that special rule.

5. Depends. If the Monolith was already on the table, they disembark from it before it moves and it's just like disembarking from any transport that has not yet moved. If the Monolith arrived that same turn, then they can disembark and shoot/run, but are otherwise treated as disembarking from a moving vehicle (The bit about the Monolith always counting as a stationary vehicle is gone from the current printing of the Necron Codex).

6. Oh boy, there have been several long threads on this. IMO, you still roll for mishap. If you roll a destroyed result, then and only then do you move aside any models that might have been under it. The otehr results take place as normal.

7. No, it cannot fire the turn it arrives via deep strike. Regardless of the limitations it has for it's normal movment, it still counts as moving at Cruising speed. And it's not a Fast vehicle and does not have any rule saying that it can shoot at Cruising speed. This is another where you can find some multi-page threads.

I am no necron expert either, but we have a few players at my store with them.

1-2. I think you are forced to only if you bring them in reserves when the special rule is not being used. You may choose to otherwise, but it is still only in excess of the compulsory ones.

3. I don't think so, as he does not have the Reserves rule the warriors do.

4. Just the warriors and you will have to declare them coming through the monolith during deployment.

5 It can still fire the flux arcs if it uses its matrix to teleport or bring in reserves

6. You move all models for it, it is kinda a strange wording due to the old edition deep strike rules

7 And no, although I don't see why you couldn't use your matrix for teleport.

Actually, a Lord attached to a Necron capable unit can be teleported through the Monolith. See the Monolith rules, page 21 of the Codex: Necron.

Based on the current wording of the codex and the BRB, the Monolith doesn't suffer a mishap if it lands on enemy models but does mishap if it lands on friendly models.

The particle whip can be used on the turn the Monolith deepstrikes in since it's a function of using the matrix which use is not hampered by deepstriking.

I agree with everything Mondo wrote.

TheGreatAvatar wrote:Actually, a Lord attached to a Necron capable unit can be teleported through the Monolith. See the Monolith rules, page 21 of the Codex: Necron.

Actually, looking at that section pretty much confirms my answer. No, a Lord may not piggyback in from Reserves with a unit of Warriors entering play through the Monolith using the Warrios special Reserves rule.
Notice there are two paragraphs there. The first talks about units of wWarriors coming in from Reserves. No mention of Lords. The second talks about units already on the table being able to teleport, to include attached Lords. The difference in the two paragraphs is enough (for me) to confirm that Lords cannot come in from Reserves through the Monolith.

Thanks GA!!

As for the other two items you mention (re 6 and 7), we're just going to have to agree to disagree. There are already multiple threads on both of those, and doesn't need tobe hashed out again.

I agree with Mann and Mondo....

I agree with Mann, Mondo, and Core

don_mondo wrote:

TheGreatAvatar wrote:Actually, a Lord attached to a Necron capable unit can be teleported through the Monolith. See the Monolith rules, page 21 of the Codex: Necron.

Actually, looking at that section pretty much confirms my answer. No, a Lord may not piggyback in from Reserves with a unit of Warriors entering play through the Monolith using the Warrios special Reserves rule.
Notice there are two paragraphs there. The first talks about units of wWarriors coming in from Reserves. No mention of Lords. The second talks about units already on the table being able to teleport, to include attached Lords. The difference in the two paragraphs is enough (for me) to confirm that Lords cannot come in from Reserves through the Monolith.

Thanks GA!!

As for the other two items you mention (re 6 and 7), we're just going to have to agree to disagree. There are already multiple threads on both of those, and doesn't need tobe hashed out again.

An IC can join a unit prior to deployment if both are available for development that turn. Nothing in the Codex: Necron prohibits the Lord joining the Warrior unit prior to deployment and the, now larger, unit being deployed via the Monolith.

TheGreatAvatar wrote:
An IC can join a unit prior to deployment if both are available for development that turn. Nothing in the Codex: Necron prohibits the Lord joining the Warrior unit prior to deployment and the, now larger, unit being deployed via the Monolith.

Nothing except the text you pointed out on page 21. It says a unit of Warriors, not a unit of warriors and attached ICs. Really, compare the two different paragraphs. Same situatioon as an IC without Deep Strike trying to join a unit with Deep Strike and arrive with them. He doesn't have the special rule necessary to allow him to use that method of arrival. Nuff said?

TGA - except you're thinking 4th ed reserves as well.

In 5th edition you would have to declare that the Lord was joined to the warriors at Deployment, before the game starts. Once they are joined in reserve it does not fulfill the criteria laid out by the MOnolith rules, as it isnt transporting warriors.

As Don says - the two paragraphs are fundamentally different.

don: The Monolith rule states the Warrior Unit is teleported through. The reserve rules permit an IC to join a unit (page 94 of the BRB) prior to deployment. Once an IC joins the unit, it becomes part of the unit. Thus, the Lord can join a unit of Warrior held in reserve and be deployed with that unit, via the Monolith. Nothing in the Codex: Necron nor BRB prohibits such deployment.

THe warrior reserve rule is not conferred to an IC joined to the unit so it can not have a lord and enter play through a monolith.

TheGreatAvatar wrote:don: The Monolith rule states the Warrior Unit is teleported through. The reserve rules permit an IC to join a unit (page 94 of the BRB) prior to deployment. Once an IC joins the unit, it becomes part of the unit. Thus, the Lord can join a unit of Warrior held in reserve and be deployed with that unit, via the Monolith. Nothing in the Codex: Necron nor BRB prohibits such deployment.

And do you try to use that same argument to deep strike an IC when he doesn't have deep strike but joins a unit that does have it? Didn't think so. So what makes this case differen? Nothing. The Warriors are entering play using their special rule. The Lord doesn't have that special rule, so just like an IC without deep strike, the Lord cannot enter play with the Warriors when they come onto the tablethrough a Monolith.

It's a simple argument:

The FAQ requires any units of Warriors held in reserve to be declared is they will be using the Monolith for deployment. The BRB Reserve rule allows ICs to join units prior to deployment. The Monolith allows a unit of Warriors accompanied by a Lord to be teleported. What's the problem here?

TheGreatAvatar wrote:It's a simple argument:

The FAQ requires any units of Warriors held in reserve to be declared is they will be using the Monolith for deployment. The BRB Reserve rule allows ICs to join units prior to deployment. The Monolith allows a unit of Warriors accompanied by a Lord to be teleported. What's the problem here?

Well, I've pointed out the problem several times, but you don't want to hear it. Let's take your sentence and substitute Deep Strike for teleport. Does it work? Why or why not. I've noticed you haven't answered this even tho this is the third time I've asked. Is it because it breaks your argument?

So I'll answer your question yet again. Does the Lord have the Warriors special Reserves rule? No, he does not. It's really that simple. Just like an IC not being able to deep strike in with a unit unless the IC has deep strike, the Lord may not teleport in unless he has the Warriors special reserves rule. Ands he doesn't. Case closed.

Both the Lord AND the Warriors can be placed in reserved. The BRB states IC can join units prior to deployment thus be deployed together (unit and IC). The Monolith permits Warrior UNITS help in reserve (note, nothing specifies excluding Lords from said unit) being teleported AND allows Lords attached to Warrior units to be telepored as well.

So, where in the Codex: Necron overrides the rules specified on page 94 of the BRD?

TheGreatAvatar wrote:nothing specifies excluding Lords from said unit

It does not need to say you can't, it needs to say you can.
The other paragraph permits lords, the reserve teleport paragraph does not mention lords (so does not permit them)

On a lighter note, "nothing specifies" that i may not roll my dice aggresivly to knock your necrons over, any that fall are on their sides... so would need to test for WBB next turn.

TheGreatAvatar wrote:Both the Lord AND the Warriors can be placed in reserved. The BRB states IC can join units prior to deployment thus be deployed together (unit and IC). The Monolith permits Warrior UNITS help in reserve (note, nothing specifies excluding Lords from said unit) being teleported AND allows Lords attached to Warrior units to be telepored as well.

What you're missing is any permission for Lords attached to the Warrior unit to be teleported.

The Warrior unit can come through. The Lord can't.

If you put them in reserve together, they can't go come out of reserve through the Monolith.

Wait...the rule for the Warrior is that the warrior unit can be placed in reserve...the rule for IC is that the IC can join a unit in reserve prior to deployment...the monolith allows a unit of warriors, joined by a Lord, to be ported...what am I missing?

TheGreatAvatar wrote:Wait...the rule for the Warrior is that the warrior unit can be placed in reserve...the rule for IC is that the IC can join a unit in reserve prior to deployment...the monolith allows a unit of warriors, joined by a Lord, to be ported...what am I missing?

You're missing that in order to use the Monolith for deplyment purposes, Warriors have to make use of a special rule they, and only they, have. That this special rule has the same or a similar name to one in the BGB makes no difference. The Lord does not have access to this special rule, is not included in this special rule, and therefore cannot use this special rule.

TheGreatAvatar wrote:What am I missing?

Well...

don_mondo wrote:The Lord doesn't have the Warriors special Reserves rule which is what allows them to enter play through the Monolith.

Acidwraine wrote:he does not have the Reserves rule the warriors do.

don_mondo wrote:Notice there are two paragraphs there. The first talks about units of wWarriors coming in from Reserves. No mention of Lords. The second talks about units already on the table being able to teleport, to include attached Lords. The difference in the two paragraphs is enough (for me) to confirm that Lords cannot come in from Reserves through the Monolith.

don_mondo wrote:It says a unit of Warriors, not a unit of warriors and attached ICs. Really, compare the two different paragraphs. Same situatioon as an IC without Deep Strike trying to join a unit with Deep Strike and arrive with them. He doesn't have the special rule necessary to allow him to use that method of arrival. Nuff said?

nosferatu1001 wrote:In 5th edition you would have to declare that the Lord was joined to the warriors at Deployment, before the game starts. Once they are joined in reserve it does not fulfill the criteria laid out by the MOnolith rules, as it isnt transporting warriors.

Kevin949 wrote:THe warrior reserve rule is not conferred to an IC joined to the unit so it can not have a lord and enter play through a monolith.

don_mondo wrote:And do you try to use that same argument to deep strike an IC when he doesn't have deep strike but joins a unit that does have it? Didn't think so. So what makes this case differen? Nothing. The Warriors are entering play using their special rule. The Lord doesn't have that special rule, so just like an IC without deep strike, the Lord cannot enter play with the Warriors when they come onto the tablethrough a Monolith.

don_mondo wrote:Does the Lord have the Warriors special Reserves rule? No, he does not. It's really that simple. Just like an IC not being able to deep strike in with a unit unless the IC has deep strike, the Lord may not teleport in unless he has the Warriors special reserves rule. Ands he doesn't. Case closed.

dayve110 wrote:It does not need to say you can't, it needs to say you can.

solkan wrote:What you're missing is any permission for Lords attached to the Warrior unit to be teleported. The Warrior unit can come through. The Lord can't.

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Lordhat wrote:The Lord does not have access to this special rule, is not included in this special rule, and therefore cannot use this special rule.

TheGreatAvatar wrote:the monolith allows a unit of warriors, joined by a Lord, to be ported...what am I missing?

You're missing that nowhere does it say taht the Lord is allowed to make use of the Warrior's special Reserves rule. All it says it a unit of Warriors can come through it from Reserves. Nowhere is a Lord mentioined in that rule.

Everyone else seems to get it, so I'm done here. And I notice you still haven't answered how this is dissimilar from Deep Strike....................