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Hello residents of Dakka Dakka, this is a list I've been intending to make for a while now. The Deffkopta is my favorite Ork unit, and I've always wanted to make an army centered around them. I happily own several Deffkoptas and hopefully will be getting the rest soon. This force's strategy is pretty straightforward, but can gain as much strategic complexity as I want. The basic strategy is pretty much just outflanking the enemy with the Koptas while the Lootas Lay down tons of fire. For the most part I'm making this for fun, but I think against several matchups it can be very effective.

HQ:

Big Mek Rota' Head: Kustom Force Field, Power Klaw, 'Eavy Armor. 115 P.

Elites:

Lootas: 10, Mek. 150P.

Lootas: 10, Mek, Rokkit Launcha'. 155P.

Fast Attack:

Deffkoptas: 5, 2 Bigbomm, 3 Buzzsaw, TL Rokkit Launcha. 330P.

Deffkoptas: 5, 2 Bigbomm, 2 Buzzsaw, TL Rokkit Launcha. 305P.

Deffkoptas: 5, 2 Bigbomm, 2 Buzzsaw, TL Rokkit Launcha. 305P.

Troops:

Boyz: 20, 2 Rokkit Launchas. 140P.

Boyz: 20, 2 Rokkit Launchas. 140P.


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Oh, on a side note, after much research on the unit, Deffkoptas seem to be the most effective in groups of five. Since you have to kill two of them in order to make them take leadership. Also, what do you guys think of them in the assault?

Boday941 wrote:
Oh, on a side note, after much research on the unit, Deffkoptas seem to be the most effective in groups of five. Since you have to kill two of them in order to make them take leadership. Also, what do you guys think of them in the assault?

I've never ran 5 at a time, but I'd steer away from non-vehicle assaults unless absolutely necessary. Unit costs too much to leave to chance imo.

Interesting List though, it looks fast and fun. just stay away from objectives

I've actually found that in a squad completely kitted out with Buzzsaws can wreak havock on armies like IG/Tau, it's very un-fun for them. I get first move, scout right up to them, fire TL Rokkits, assault the gunlines, run into cover. Not fun for them. Especially if I dropped Big Bomms with one of the squads. Fully kitted out squads of Deffkoptas are sooo fun.

drop both meks from the lootas, they really are serving no purpose at all. Drop 1 Big Bomb in each squad and the rokkits from your boyz and you should be pretty close to having enough for another mob of boyz but they NEED that NOB with PKlaw and Bosspole

I have a friend who plays with 2 units of 4 koptas with TL Rokkits and 1 saw each and combines them with snikrot and his mob of kommandos and it really messes with an opponents head, the koptas outflank having a 18in immediate threat range and snikrot and his mob have 18in as well when you factor in Ghazzie's WAAAAAAUGH!! It's pretty harsh when you have a ton of green coming straight at your face and then POOF, here comes Snikrot and his buddies along with 8 freaking koptas!! It's pretty nasty, good luck with the list!

My humble 2cents.

Decrease your loota squads down to 5-7 models each, drop the mechs from them as they are pointless.

Drop the 3rd buzzsaw from the deffkpta unit with it.

give your big mek cybork instead of eavy armour. (and keep him at the back of your boyz, not the front).

Get some nobz with pks and bps in those boys units.

Upgrade the boyz units to 30 or add a 3rd unit.

Cut the pks from deffcopters down to one in each squad. Thats all you really need. They are not a cc unit. They shoot and once in a while pick off hanging units in cc. Drop the bigbomm from all of they. They are very useless.

Points saved-190

Change the set up of the Lootas into 3 groups of 5.

Points saved-85

You don't want your big mekk getting into cc. Part of why he's so good is his relatively small point cost. Hide him in the back because in CC, he will get picked off right away, and you lose the KFF. Since he wont be getting shot at, you dont need eavy armor or cybork body.

Points saved-30

Total points saved-305

With those points, beef up the boyz units and throw a nob w/pk and power claw into the mix.

Ps: I don't know where you did your research, but deffcopters are not most effective in units of 5. Most players here have come to the consensus that a single deffcopter with buzzsaw and rokkit is the most effective way to use them. If you get first turn, turbo boast scout and threaten tanks on turn one, or out flank them if going 2nd.

Agreed with pretty much the 2 above.

I would take 3x 20 man units if can squeeze them in, in objective games you might find it hard with 2 x 20, no leadership upgrades.

I think Tao the OP meant that barring taking a single copter X3 (which he dosent want to do since hes specifically trying to make a copter list), what then is the next best setup for Koptas.
There have been debates between 2,3 and 5 koptas in other threads and a general conensus seemed to be if you are going to spam them, spam them in 5s for durability/survivability.

i'd be interested to see how this army does i really like it

I'd diversify the equipment of the Deff Koptas such that each model of a squad is equipped differently, just for the purpose of wound allocation.
This would increase the survivability of the units.

Taoofss wrote:

Ps: I don't know where you did your research, but deffcopters are not most effective in units of 5. Most players here have come to the consensus that a single deffcopter with buzzsaw and rokkit is the most effective way to use them. If you get first turn, turbo boast scout and threaten tanks on turn one, or out flank them if going 2nd.

He wants to use a larger number of deffkoptas, that was stated in the OP and I think there might be mileage in them for a fun list.

Keeping 2 PKs in there will also mean he's putting in 6 Str 7 attacks on the charge with no armour saves, that's going to be very cool against marine squads like Devs and if those are brought into support the boyz mobs in cc, that's also going to be fun.

Those deffkoptas, along with the loota shooting, can murder all that light armour tankage that Mech bring to the yard. The difference is that these minisquads of deffkoptas can go get some cc with non-cc marines and their like.

For a fun list, this should be interesting.
Too bad there's no way for you to get Koptas to count as troops.
Functionally, though, I think you're just going to get your a** handed to you constantly.

Koptas don't hold up well to massed fire, their morale bites, and they can't claim objectives.
You only have 2 units of boyz, and don't appear to have any Nobs. They don't have any staying power and very lillt hitting power after the assault (if they make it that long).

Every loss you take with a Loota is going to lower your Ld. Once you take enough wounds to need a test, your Ld will be a meager 7.

Like I said, you can have some fun with this... only until everything is running off the table or dead, though.

Eric

HQ:

Big Mek Rota' Head: Kustom Force Field. 85 P.

Elites:

Lootas: 5. 75P.

Lootas: 5. 75P.

Lootas: 5. 75P.

Fast Attack:

Deffkoptas: 5, 2 Bigbomm, 2 Buzzsaw, TL Rokkit Launcha. 305P.

Deffkoptas: 5, 2 Bigbomm, 2 Buzzsaw, TL Rokkit Launcha. 305P.

Deffkoptas: 5, 2 Bigbomm, 2 Buzzsaw, TL Rokkit Launcha. 305P.

Troops:

Boyz: 20, 2 Rokkit Launchas. Nob, PK, BP. 180P.

Boyz: 20, 2 Rokkit Launchas. Nob, PK, BP. 180P.


Look better? While I agree whole-heartedly with the oppionons of everyone here in relation to the Loota's, Boyz, and Rota' Head, I'd like to keep the 'Koptas kitted as they are. For a number of reasons, firstly, I already have my Deffkoptas in my two squads of ten converted so as to have two Buzzsaws, and two Bigbomms a piece. Also, on the table, Bigbomms and Buzzsaws look unbelievably Orky when in a big swarm like this. They just SCREAM Dakka! And, the're very fun. I'm trying to make this list as competetive as possible while maintaining the fluffy 'Koptas.

I don't know how good the army is to win with but I love the idea. My bro uses deathcopters but only 3 of them. They annoy my tanks like crazy. I woud love to see someone flying 15 at me

Oh, also at 1750-2000, the list is going to include a number of battlewagons. To Rush the Boyz to the front, or I might possibly kit out the list with loads of Trukks, I'm not sure at this point. Help?

You're woefully short on anything really effective against armor. [edit - BIG armor, like 13 & 14]
Can you get PK on that Mek?

Also, you've got a problem.
Presuming your point costs are right, you're over by exactly the cost of your Big Mek.

Eric

If you are making a fluffy list, you should replace the footslogging boyz with trukk boyz. Claiming a 15 deffcopter list with a footslogging element is fluffy makes no sense.

Ahhh, Yeah I didn't take that into acount. I'll tweak it. And yeah, I'll put the PK on the Bigmek.

The second list is an improvement. It'd be cool to see how this list does, personally i run deffkoptas in 3s, all with buzzsaws, i've never played with them in five, but your theory seems good on paper. You've made the boyz better but i still think you're short on troops. 19 gretchin with a runtherd (or even 10 gretchin) would make the army a whole lot better at objective missions.

Trukk boy units have no staying power whatsoever.

I only use them as reserves to hold the home objective or as gap fillers.

The trukk is a dreadful transport, if the one trukk with your mek in it gets immobilised, you'll have the rest of them unprotected.