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I just got a new phone, spesifically the android phone G2, I LOVE THIS PHONE IT IS THE ROCK!


that being said, i looked at the app store for warhammer apps, there i found a few roster apps but unfortunently the user needs to manually and tediously imput each little bit of data, that or import a mobile roster. I have army buider and i know i can do that from there but lone wolf doesn't seem to be making an app anytime soon and i'd really like to be able to make lists and expirement on the fly rather than have premade lists on my phone, does anyone know of official or unofficial apps that may do what im looking for? essentially army buider but for a smartphone.

I been waiting for a long time. To my knowledge, what you are looking for does not exist.

I love army builder, have never bought the full version, and have used their free demo version for 6 years at least. I had no plans to ever buy it either, though recently their new demo version has made me ALMOST reconsider due to its more limited features.

That being said, if they released an app version, I would buy in without hesitation even if the cost was prohibitive.

I would imagine the amount of info displayed on AB would be prohibitive of being put on such a small screen. I see the potential for such an app, but you have to think about just how much stuff there is on an AB screen at one time and how you would manage scrolling thru options like wargear and magic items.

Aye - it could work, but it'd have to make use of many 'pages' of data to be able to display - e.g. one page to show the squads and their points costs, with nothing else; each squad 'clickable' to bring up their options as a separate page. A specific button for adding a new squad, which then brings up the full list for your chosen army. Nowhere near as easy to browse, and missing features like the options for nested squads etc., but it could still be useful.

I am a paying customer of Wolflair's, and I'd happily pay them again for a portable version of AB as long as it was fully compatible with the desktop version and allowed for transferral of files between the two programs.

(Of course, having a new Windows Phone, I imagine my chances of getting the option are slimmer than most :( )

The only army list app I can think of is the iBodger for Warmachine/Hordes.

AesSedai wrote:I been waiting for a long time. To my knowledge, what you are looking for does not exist.

I love army builder, have never bought the full version, and have used their free demo version for 6 years at least. I had no plans to ever buy it either, though recently their new demo version has made me ALMOST reconsider due to its more limited features.

That being said, if they released an app version, I would buy in without hesitation even if the cost was prohibitive.

Its worth the buy.


and pages? as long as you scroll down, i can see this being made without a huge ammount of pages, possibly the FOC's with one annother, game menu, army roster. There are much mre complicated apps on most of these phones already, just none meant for this!

IronfrontAlex wrote:that being said, i looked at the app store for warhammer apps, there i found a few roster apps but unfortunently the user needs to manually and tediously imput each little bit of data, that or import a mobile roster.

You realise that the exact same is true of Wolflair's Army Builder? It's just that there's a bunch of people that type it in so that you can import it.

Why not type everything in for a codex and then offer it for other people to import? If everyone said "this is too tedious, someone else needs to do it" then you wouldn't be using army builder either.

Whats limited in the demo army builder?

I believe it limits how large an army it allows you to build.

In the mean time, the mobile output from Army Builder works pretty nicely. Granted, I can't edit it on the fly, but it does make a nice way to take the list from place to place without having to print it.

Scott-S6 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:that being said, i looked at the app store for warhammer apps, there i found a few roster apps but unfortunently the user needs to manually and tediously imput each little bit of data, that or import a mobile roster.

You realise that the exact same is true of Wolflair's Army Builder? It's just that there's a bunch of people that type it in so that you can import it.

Why not type everything in for a codex and then offer it for other people to import? If everyone said "this is too tedious, someone else needs to do it" then you wouldn't be using army builder either.

army builder is in no way that tedious, its descriptive, consise and has the name, unit, point cost, options, description ect already there. if they didin't then there would only exist the excel method.


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Happygrunt wrote:Whats limited in the demo army builder?

3 units. AKA 3 units

If you're really nice to me, I'll speed up development of my app. I like Forgeworld, and my address is....

Seriously tho, I am in the middle of writing just such an app, but bear in mind.
1) Its just me, and I have no affiliation with WolfLair, nor any other company. Just a CompSci student.
2) I am primarily developing for Android, with hopes for a simple iPhone conversion near to release date.
3) Legal restrictions make this project about 3x harder than if GW was nice and gave their rules for free
4) mid year is the earliest I would be considering release.
5) I plan some level of compatibility with Army Builder files to speed up the import process, but it will be difficult.
6) Cost estimate at $4.99, or an unlimited free trial with reduced functionality. Possibility for 30 day full functionality promotional trial.

plus the army builder free version only gives you 10 updates...

Trasvi wrote:If you're really nice to me, I'll speed up development of my app. I like Forgeworld, and my address is....

Seriously tho, I am in the middle of writing just such an app, but bear in mind.
1) Its just me, and I have no affiliation with WolfLair, nor any other company. Just a CompSci student.
2) I am primarily developing for Android, with hopes for a simple iPhone conversion near to release date.
3) Legal restrictions make this project about 3x harder than if GW was nice and gave their rules for free
4) mid year is the earliest I would be considering release.
5) I plan some level of compatibility with Army Builder files to speed up the import process, but it will be difficult.
6) Cost estimate at $4.99, or an unlimited free trial with reduced functionality. Possibility for 30 day full functionality promotional trial.

I like the idea, aside from the price. with the community i say free! but ig your doing it alone... i understand... ASK FOR HELP! is there any way i can? i would!

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:that being said, i looked at the app store for warhammer apps, there i found a few roster apps but unfortunently the user needs to manually and tediously imput each little bit of data, that or import a mobile roster.

You realise that the exact same is true of Wolflair's Army Builder? It's just that there's a bunch of people that type it in so that you can import it.

Why not type everything in for a codex and then offer it for other people to import? If everyone said "this is too tedious, someone else needs to do it" then you wouldn't be using army builder either.

army builder is in no way that tedious, its descriptive, consise and has the name, unit, point cost, options, description ect already there. if they didin't then there would only exist the excel method.

Army builder does not have that information "already there". It comes blank. All the unit information and points is typed in by the user or imported from user generated files. The reason that you can use army builder with minimal effort is because a bunch of other users are doing the work for you.

Let me make that extra clear because you don't seem to understand this and it's really central to the point that you were failing to make - Wolflair do not supply ANY 40K unit information of any kind with army builder. All of the work to put that information into Army Builder is done by users. An app developer cannot supply this information unless they really like the idea of inviting GW's legal team into their lives.

Why not step up and do some work typing information into one of the mobile apps to contribute something back? If everyone decided it was too much work then, as you say, everyone would be stuck with excel.

Has anyone tried Battlescribe?

It's a similar program to AB - but much less complex, which means that it's very easy to edit your own data files. It's open source at the moment, so it's free, and Data files are available for 40k, Warahammer etc.

www.battlescribe.net

I use it because it runs on Java, which means I can get it to work on my Mac. Can Android and the like run Java applications? If so, they should be able to use this - the 'homescreen' certainly takes up less screen space than the standard AB one...

IronfrontAlex wrote:
I like the idea, aside from the price. with the community i say free! but ig your doing it alone... i understand... ASK FOR HELP! is there any way i can? i would!

At the moment, I'm not looking for any help. Its really still quite in the infant stages, writing the program that writes the data files, so even the basic data structure isn't finalised yet. Eventually I may be needing assistance with the port to iOS, if anyone knows Objective-C, but at the moment I don't think anyone could work with my haphazard method of production .
$5 is less than the cost of a paint pot, at least in Australia. The price may need to be changed for different regions so that I can maintain that claim Is it really so much to pay?

Android can run java (and all Android Apps are written in java, which is the primary reason I'm writing for android first). Depending on the success of the first app, I hope to continue with a suite interrelated programs.

Trasvi wrote:
Android can run java (and all Android Apps are written in java, which is the primary reason I'm writing for android first). Depending on the success of the first app, I hope to continue with a suite interrelated programs.

Fantastic. Well, at least we have an answer for the OP in the meantime

Battlescibe (Cross-platform Version) should run on Android. And it's free.

Scott-S6 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:that being said, i looked at the app store for warhammer apps, there i found a few roster apps but unfortunently the user needs to manually and tediously imput each little bit of data, that or import a mobile roster.

You realise that the exact same is true of Wolflair's Army Builder? It's just that there's a bunch of people that type it in so that you can import it.

Why not type everything in for a codex and then offer it for other people to import? If everyone said "this is too tedious, someone else needs to do it" then you wouldn't be using army builder either.

army builder is in no way that tedious, its descriptive, consise and has the name, unit, point cost, options, description ect already there. if they didin't then there would only exist the excel method.

Army builder does not have that information "already there". It comes blank. All the unit information and points is typed in by the user or imported from user generated files. The reason that you can use army builder with minimal effort is because a bunch of other users are doing the work for you.

Let me make that extra clear because you don't seem to understand this and it's really central to the point that you were failing to make - Wolflair do not supply ANY 40K unit information of any kind with army builder. All of the work to put that information into Army Builder is done by users. An app developer cannot supply this information unless they really like the idea of inviting GW's legal team into their lives.

Why not step up and do some work typing information into one of the mobile apps to contribute something back? If everyone decided it was too much work then, as you say, everyone would be stuck with excel.

To the point: because i have a life, and i'm at a particularly important part of my life where putting alot of time and effort into this will just be one more thing putting me back, now that's not to say im unable to do so or that im lazy. I simply do not have the time. But thank you for talking down to me, always welcome in the hobby


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ArbitorIan wrote:

Trasvi wrote:
Android can run java (and all Android Apps are written in java, which is the primary reason I'm writing for android first). Depending on the success of the first app, I hope to continue with a suite interrelated programs.

Fantastic. Well, at least we have an answer for the OP in the meantime

Battlescibe (Cross-platform Version) should run on Android. And it's free.

I have wuite a few things written out, maybe this would help, interesting.


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Trasvi wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:
I like the idea, aside from the price. with the community i say free! but ig your doing it alone... i understand... ASK FOR HELP! is there any way i can? i would!

At the moment, I'm not looking for any help. Its really still quite in the infant stages, writing the program that writes the data files, so even the basic data structure isn't finalised yet. Eventually I may be needing assistance with the port to iOS, if anyone knows Objective-C, but at the moment I don't think anyone could work with my haphazard method of production .
$5 is less than the cost of a paint pot, at least in Australia. The price may need to be changed for different regions so that I can maintain that claim Is it really so much to pay?

Android can run java (and all Android Apps are written in java, which is the primary reason I'm writing for android first). Depending on the success of the first app, I hope to continue with a suite interrelated programs.

awesome! and the price is fine, i was just being a whiny/broke college student

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:that being said, i looked at the app store for warhammer apps, there i found a few roster apps but unfortunently the user needs to manually and tediously imput each little bit of data, that or import a mobile roster.

You realise that the exact same is true of Wolflair's Army Builder? It's just that there's a bunch of people that type it in so that you can import it.

Why not type everything in for a codex and then offer it for other people to import? If everyone said "this is too tedious, someone else needs to do it" then you wouldn't be using army builder either.

army builder is in no way that tedious, its descriptive, consise and has the name, unit, point cost, options, description ect already there. if they didin't then there would only exist the excel method.

Army builder does not have that information "already there". It comes blank. All the unit information and points is typed in by the user or imported from user generated files. The reason that you can use army builder with minimal effort is because a bunch of other users are doing the work for you.

Let me make that extra clear because you don't seem to understand this and it's really central to the point that you were failing to make - Wolflair do not supply ANY 40K unit information of any kind with army builder. All of the work to put that information into Army Builder is done by users. An app developer cannot supply this information unless they really like the idea of inviting GW's legal team into their lives.

Why not step up and do some work typing information into one of the mobile apps to contribute something back? If everyone decided it was too much work then, as you say, everyone would be stuck with excel.

To the point: because i have a life, and i'm at a particularly important part of my life where putting alot of time and effort into this will just be one more thing putting me back, now that's not to say im unable to do so or that im lazy. I simply do not have the time. But thank you for talking down to me, always welcome in the hobby

I don't use army builder myself but there's a bunch of people that do a lot of work to make it as useful as it is for the 40K community. To see people using that work and taking it totally for granted (to the extent of, apparently, not even knowing that it's not provided by the software vendor) is pretty annoying.

I have been working in my spare time on an Android app that creates army lists for 40k. Right now it is working for a couple of armies, but I could definitely use some testers and get some suggestions. I plan on putting in all armies in the 40k universe, but right now I have Space Wolves, Daemons and Necrons (I know nobody plays them much anymore, but they were the easiest list to start with for concept). This is really menu-based navigation to edit the list and it allows you to scroll through the list on one screen. After generating the list, the user can output the list to a text file where they can email it to another location for printing if needed. There is also a save feature to save your list and call back at another time. This is still in an early stage, but it does work and output matches AB for points counting and squad attributes for those that I have tested. There are a few minor exceptions, but I'm still working on fixing those.

It sounds like people are interested in an Android app, so please let me know if you would like to test this. I'm eventually going to put this on the Android market but that is TBD.

I'd test it! im a deamon player as well.

Trasvi wrote:

IronfrontAlex wrote:
I like the idea, aside from the price. with the community i say free! but ig your doing it alone... i understand... ASK FOR HELP! is there any way i can? i would!

At the moment, I'm not looking for any help. Its really still quite in the infant stages, writing the program that writes the data files, so even the basic data structure isn't finalised yet. Eventually I may be needing assistance with the port to iOS, if anyone knows Objective-C, but at the moment I don't think anyone could work with my haphazard method of production .
$5 is less than the cost of a paint pot, at least in Australia. The price may need to be changed for different regions so that I can maintain that claim Is it really so much to pay?

Android can run java (and all Android Apps are written in java, which is the primary reason I'm writing for android first). Depending on the success of the first app, I hope to continue with a suite interrelated programs.

I completed the same project for the IPhone essentially except I planned no integration with Army Builder.

After several rejections from the App Store due to GW legal issues I gave up. Scrapped the project. When doing a mobile version you have very few choices. Either make the application easy to use and have it yanked quickly or make it require a lot of time and editing files on the users end and not easy to use.

You can't exactly make it modular due to system limitations with a mobile OS.

If you ever do get finished and think you have a project that can get past Apple's incredibly strict guidelines hit me up. I'd be more than game to try to convert it to Objective C. For now I'll just go back to making a Java based computer version of an army building software.

PS: Recently Apple has purged all but the Fantasy version of army building software in the App Store. Even one where you had to take your own pictures of the units, enter point values, and weapon options manually. Luckily Android is a bit easier to work with and a lot more open to applications.

PPS: Android doesn't run traditional Java. Which is why Sun and Google are having it out in preliminary court hearings right now.

There is iRoster 40k... http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iroster-40k/id379374871?mt=8

Scott-S6 wrote:Let me make that extra clear because you don't seem to understand this and it's really central to the point that you were failing to make - Wolflair do not supply ANY 40K unit information of any kind with army builder. All of the work to put that information into Army Builder is done by users. An app developer cannot supply this information unless they really like the idea of inviting GW's legal team into their lives.

And, as much as I hate to possible start the IPquisition, I think this is at least one reason why you won't see any such army builders. Wolflair are already well within the precedent for a long, unpleasant, and losing conflict with GW legal should they be so inclined. The fact "they themselves don't supply the data and the users do" will work just as well for them as it did for Grokster, Napster, el al. The magic phrases here are "vicarious infringement" and "contributory infringement".

Aside from the fact that Wolf Lair does what what they do as a result of "discussions" with GW....

Is it really comparable to Napster? I would have thought it was more like, blaming Microsoft for people putting army lists in excel.

Trasvi wrote:Is it really comparable to Napster? I would have thought it was more like, blaming Microsoft for people putting army lists in excel.

The difference being that Excel has significant use and purposes other then living off copyrighted materially, in fact, it's majority use is overwhelmingly for non-infringing uses. I don't think the same can be said of Army Builder, as it's sole commercial use is built off the backs of someone else's IP. I think it would be a different situation if they had you plug in all the data yourself, and did not provide directly or indirectly the ab files which contain the infringing data (game rules, points values, mechanisms); at that point it's simply a fancy calculator application.

Of course, if the stripped that data out, who would want to buy it? This issue was raised in the very first post.

I'm not saying these things to start an IP discussion of Army Builder, and am not trying to threadjack. We can start a new thread about that if people like, although it's already been discussed quite a bit. The reason I make this point is that the core of the original post was on the availability of army builder applications, and I don't think this discussion would be complete without adding one of the strong reasons why there is a poor selection: the more full-featured they become, the more likely they are to be shut down for infringement.

At the risk of being accused of necromancy for reviving this thread, I thought I'd point out that BattleScribe is now available on Android. It uses the same data files as the desktop version so you can copy your rosters etc between your phone and computer. It gives you a nice output of your roster that you can copy to text or HTML to paste into forums/websites/blogs etc.

The desktop version includes the data file editors, so if anyone fancies having a go at improving them or creating new ones that would be great. There's a place on the BattleScribe forum to post them.

It's the first version, so be gentle! If you find any problems or have suggestions, please let me know.

BattleScribe.net
Data files
Android Market

Iphone please.